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A human is not a bot. In addition to being dehumanizing, it removes agency to say that.

by hypeit 3y ago

ceejayoz 3y ago
Pretending large groups of humans can't possibly be influenced to do things is lunacy. We do weird things in crowds even without intentional propaganda at play. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add8091 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add8091
- bluefishinit 3y ago
  That's not a "botnet" though, advertising does the same thing. We don't call the people buying things they've been marketed a "botnet".
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    It needn't be a perfect comparison to be a useful one.
    - bluefishinit 3y ago
      It's not useful though. I actually think it's very cool that TikTok got a bunch of young people to contact their representatives. If this ban goes through, the political blowback is going to be extreme. It will be like the Streisand effect x100,000,000.
      - ceejayoz 3y ago
        > I actually think it's very cool that TikTok got a bunch of young people to contact their representatives. I don't think that's the concern.
      - stale2002 3y ago
        > If this ban goes through, the political blowback is going to be extreme. Its not a ban. Whats going to happen is that tiktok will divest. Kids will continue to have their social media.
        bluefishinit 3y ago
        > What’s more, divestiture would require Beijing’s approval. Last year, the Chinese government said it opposed a forced sale. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/house-passes-tiktok-bill-are-tiktok-s-days-numbered-what-you-need-to-know/ar-BB1jPQmL https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/house-passes-tiktok-...
        stale2002 3y ago
        If tiktok wants to leave the US, that would be their decision. Blame them for not following the law. That's no different from anyone else deciding to just leave the app store, or the USA, because they don't want to pay taxes or something. Companies stop doing business in certain countries for all sorts of reasons.
        bluefishinit 3y ago
        TikTok's users will know who to blame: the US government. There would have been no problem at all before this bill got pushed through (if passed).
        stale2002 3y ago
        Once again, laws effect companies all the time. This isn't new or an out there thing. Some companies leave because they don't want to pay high taxes, or for numerous other reasons. All tiktok has to do is follow the law and they won't be banned. But if they don't, well that's their decision as well.
        bluefishinit 3y ago
  - ambicapter 3y ago
    There's definitely areas of advertising that are banned/controlled so that comparison seems more damning than beneficial (e.g. alcohol to minors, medication in any country other than the US
  - butlike 3y ago
    Just capitalism slaves :P
butlike 3y ago
I'm a human, and I identify as a "bot," so there.

A human is not a bot. In addition to being dehumanizing, it removes agency to say that.

by hypeit 3y ago

A human is not a bot. In addition to being dehumanizing, it removes agency to say that.

Pretending large groups of humans can't possibly be influenced to do things is lunacy. We do weird things in crowds even without intentional propaganda at play. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add8091 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add8091

bluefishinit 3y ago
That's not a "botnet" though, advertising does the same thing. We don't call the people buying things they've been marketed a "botnet".
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  It needn't be a perfect comparison to be a useful one.
  - bluefishinit 3y ago
    It's not useful though. I actually think it's very cool that TikTok got a bunch of young people to contact their representatives. If this ban goes through, the political blowback is going to be extreme. It will be like the Streisand effect x100,000,000.
    - ceejayoz 3y ago
      > I actually think it's very cool that TikTok got a bunch of young people to contact their representatives. I don't think that's the concern.
    - stale2002 3y ago
      > If this ban goes through, the political blowback is going to be extreme. Its not a ban. Whats going to happen is that tiktok will divest. Kids will continue to have their social media.
      - bluefishinit 3y ago
        > What’s more, divestiture would require Beijing’s approval. Last year, the Chinese government said it opposed a forced sale. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/house-passes-tiktok-bill-are-tiktok-s-days-numbered-what-you-need-to-know/ar-BB1jPQmL https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/house-passes-tiktok-...
        stale2002 3y ago
        If tiktok wants to leave the US, that would be their decision. Blame them for not following the law. That's no different from anyone else deciding to just leave the app store, or the USA, because they don't want to pay taxes or something. Companies stop doing business in certain countries for all sorts of reasons.
        bluefishinit 3y ago
        TikTok's users will know who to blame: the US government. There would have been no problem at all before this bill got pushed through (if passed).
        stale2002 3y ago
        Once again, laws effect companies all the time. This isn't new or an out there thing. Some companies leave because they don't want to pay high taxes, or for numerous other reasons. All tiktok has to do is follow the law and they won't be banned. But if they don't, well that's their decision as well.
        bluefishinit 3y ago
- ambicapter 3y ago
  There's definitely areas of advertising that are banned/controlled so that comparison seems more damning than beneficial (e.g. alcohol to minors, medication in any country other than the US
- butlike 3y ago
  Just capitalism slaves :P

butlike 3y ago

I'm a human, and I identify as a "bot," so there.