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How is it a botnet? Apple isn't going to allow botnet like behavior in any app it approves in the app store.

by hypeit 3y ago

rjmunro 3y ago
Didn't they already, in effect, DDOS the congress telephone system?
- hypeit 3y ago
  No, they did however increase engagement in democracy in a very dramatic fashion. More people making demands from their government is a good thing.
  - j_maffe 3y ago
    When they're deliberately coordinated by foreign states with malicious intent? When the demands become more and more extreme towards the opposing side?
    - bluefishinit 3y ago
      Opposing this ban isn't "malicious intent" lots of people think it's an infringement upon their rights for the US government to decide what they can and cannot see.
ceejayoz 3y ago
The humans it feeds content into are the botnet. For example, it's alleged that Russia promoted competing rallies on both sides of the political divide in the US in hopes of sowing discord in 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency#Rallies_and_protests_organized_by_IRA_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency#Ralli...
- hypeit 3y ago
  A human is not a bot. In addition to being dehumanizing, it removes agency to say that.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    Pretending large groups of humans can't possibly be influenced to do things is lunacy. We do weird things in crowds even without intentional propaganda at play. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add8091 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add8091
    - bluefishinit 3y ago
      That's not a "botnet" though, advertising does the same thing. We don't call the people buying things they've been marketed a "botnet".
      - ceejayoz 3y ago
        It needn't be a perfect comparison to be a useful one.
        bluefishinit 3y ago
        It's not useful though. I actually think it's very cool that TikTok got a bunch of young people to contact their representatives. If this ban goes through, the political blowback is going to be extreme. It will be like the Streisand effect x100,000,000.
        ceejayoz 3y ago
        > I actually think it's very cool that TikTok got a bunch of young people to contact their representatives. I don't think that's the concern.
        stale2002 3y ago
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How is it a botnet? Apple isn't going to allow botnet like behavior in any app it approves in the app store.

by hypeit 3y ago

How is it a botnet? Apple isn't going to allow botnet like behavior in any app it approves in the app store.

rjmunro 3y ago

Didn't they already, in effect, DDOS the congress telephone system?

hypeit 3y ago
No, they did however increase engagement in democracy in a very dramatic fashion. More people making demands from their government is a good thing.
- j_maffe 3y ago
  When they're deliberately coordinated by foreign states with malicious intent? When the demands become more and more extreme towards the opposing side?
  - bluefishinit 3y ago
    Opposing this ban isn't "malicious intent" lots of people think it's an infringement upon their rights for the US government to decide what they can and cannot see.

ceejayoz 3y ago

The humans it feeds content into are the botnet. For example, it's alleged that Russia promoted competing rallies on both sides of the political divide in the US in hopes of sowing discord in 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency#Rallies_and_protests_organized_by_IRA_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency#Ralli...

hypeit 3y ago
A human is not a bot. In addition to being dehumanizing, it removes agency to say that.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  Pretending large groups of humans can't possibly be influenced to do things is lunacy. We do weird things in crowds even without intentional propaganda at play. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add8091 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add8091
  - bluefishinit 3y ago
    That's not a "botnet" though, advertising does the same thing. We don't call the people buying things they've been marketed a "botnet".
    - ceejayoz 3y ago
      It needn't be a perfect comparison to be a useful one.
      - bluefishinit 3y ago
        It's not useful though. I actually think it's very cool that TikTok got a bunch of young people to contact their representatives. If this ban goes through, the political blowback is going to be extreme. It will be like the Streisand effect x100,000,000.
        ceejayoz 3y ago
        > I actually think it's very cool that TikTok got a bunch of young people to contact their representatives. I don't think that's the concern.
        stale2002 3y ago

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