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Boeing 777 loses tire while taking off from SF, crushing cars on the ground
- a_gnostic 3y agoSomeone is trying to make this company real cheap…?
- Atotalnoob 3y agoI have a flight coming up on United’s 777s out of SFO…. Fantastic
- cqqxo4zV46cp 3y agoDon’t buy into this hype. Consider how many 777 flights have had absolutely no issue, and that commonplace redundancies made this a relative non-issue for passengers.
- nunez 3y agoDon't fret. You're hearing about this because aviation accidents _don't_ happen. Boeing is under serious fire largely because of four (extremely terrible) accidents. Hundreds of thousands of planes fly every day. Source: I fly 100k+ miles per year for work and leisure.
- hnburnsy 3y ago>You're hearing about this because aviation accidents _don't_ happen I can't tell if you are serious, but I count 7 commercial aviation accidents in the past week... https://avherald.com/ https://avherald.com/
- Cacti 3y agoThink about doing an investigation and writeup for every dent and fender bender in the nation, in addition to the major accidents. That’s essentially what you’re looking at, but for aircraft. Across the world, and all the millions of people and ways in which all types of aircraft are used, big, small, old, young, immaculately maintained, beat to shit, etc.
- hnburnsy 3y agoAV Herald FAQ... Q: What incidents and accidents does The Aviation Herald report? The Aviation Herald concentrates on "Air Transport", meaning in general The Aviation Herald will report only about commercial flights or commercial operators involving airplanes with capacity for 19 passenger seats or more. Incidents will be reported only during active flights from entering the takeoff runway to leaving the landing runway, other incidents at the gate or during taxi are summarily dismissed. Accidents involving commercial flights with capacity of 19 or more seats are reported as soon as The Aviation Herald gets to know about them. Q: What do the classifications Crash, Accident, Incident, News or Report mean? Report indicates an articles about the release and contents of an official incident or accident investigation report, both preliminary and final, where The Aviation Herald did not report the original event. If The Aviation Herald did report the original event, the original article (series) will be updated and the investigation reports mentioned and linked in there. News indicates an article about commercial aviation events, that are not related to an occurrence (incident, accident, crash) or an active flight (a flight is active from entering its takeoff runway to leaving its landing runway). Incident marks any safety relevant event out of the ordinary during flight (from the first human with the intention to fly boarding the aircraft to last human with intention to fly leaving the aircraft), that causes no injuries or death to any people and causes only limited damage (exception: the engines of an aircraft may suffer even catastrophic damage in an incident). Accident marks an incident, that has caused injuries or death to humans or caused significant damage. Crash marks an accident, that is potentially catastrophic (has the potential to kill everybody on board of an airplane).
- edgyquant 3y agoThis is a changing of the goalpost and regardless we’ve had doors fly off just in the last month.
- Cacti 3y agoYou don’t even know what game we are playing.
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- rvba 3y agoWho manufactures plane tires? How much do they cost? What about fighters and bombers?
- JonathonW 3y agoThe same companies that manufacture car tires-- Goodyear, Bridgestone, Michelin, and probably most of the other major manufacturers (but those three definitely all have aircraft tire businesses). They're probably not cheap.
- 93po 3y agoAbout $6000 per tire in the one source I found, which lasts anywhere from 2 to 4 months depending on how many times a day it lands. Bridgestone manufacturers tires for the 777 but it’s not clear if they made the one that fell off
- fotta 3y agotakeoff around 11:24am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haRC034bj-g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haRC034bj-g landing around 1:17pm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkdKhZSZiSM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkdKhZSZiSM towed to the gate about 10min after landing you'll have to scrub because the streams are still live and I don't know how to timestamp a live stream
- slt2021 3y agowhats the time on the screen?
- fotta 3y ago11:24am and 1:17pm
- ro_bit 3y agoWhy did the plane go all the way to LAX rather than landing back at SFO? It clearly seemed to be considered serious since there were emergency vehicles by the runway as a precaution. Is it easier to divert to LAX rather than land back at SFO in this situation?
- WorkerBee28474 3y agoIf you don't have to land with a full load of fuel it's better not to. And there was no reason to think that the landing would go wrong, because the tires are redundant.
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- anon-sre-srm 3y agoFuel dump or burn it off by circling. Going elsewhere would be inconvenient to passengers unless they had a replacement plane and/or crew in LAX which was likely. Unless you're Delta flight 89 and then you dump fuel over populated areas at low altitude.
- stainablesteel 3y agothe story that never ends...
- plussed_reader 3y ago...what's that? Winning the lottery?
- dbg31415 3y ago[flagged]
- barbazoo 3y agoExcept that Boeing has nothing to do with the maintenance of that airplane
- dbg31415 3y agoI bet they have maintenance contracts, or partnerships with companies that do. Seems like they would have at least said, “We know there have been some issues. We’ll incentivize you to sanity check everything. Pretty please?”
- barbazoo 3y agoUnited airlines has their own maintenance folks
- whoknowsidont 3y agoThat's not actually true. Airlines generally follow the procedures set forth by the manufacturer, and they do talk with each other quite a bit. I think what you mean to say is that this is plausibly, _likely_ to be a failure on the part of United, not Boeing. However this would not be the first time that manufacturers like Boeing recommend inadequate or faulty maintenance procedures. Only time will tell.
- MattGaiser 3y agoBoeing doesn't do most of the maintenance on the plane, so I suspect this one has nothing to do with them at all.
- MBCook 3y agoI would think this is most likely a failure by the maintenance department and not Boeing themselves but wow do they not need to be in headlines again.
- hughesjj 3y agoNormally I'd agree, but these days I ain't going if it's boeing and I honestly wouldn't assume that anymore.
- gumby 3y agoHmm, seems I'm not the only one.
- Zigurd 3y agoIf it is a maintenance failure, it's a really big one. You would have to change the tire (really the whole wheel) before this flight, not put the wheel nut on, and not put the wheel nut lock on, and close the wheel nut cover without having done that, probably with a second person there, and have the wheel somehow stay on while taxiing. I think I see the brakes still on the axle in the video, so I suppose this is what happened.
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoI once saw four tires pop off on a modded hatchback racing down third ring road in Beijing around 2AM in the morning. The only way that could have happened is if the guy just got the car from the shop and someone forgot to add any lug nuts at all. Completely believable in China I guess.
- MBCook 3y agoOh I agree. The idea of forgetting to secure a tire, even without knowing the aviation specific bits, is clearly a HUGE mistake. But I just don’t see any other way this could happen unless the tire was secured and just that part of the axle broke off which seems incredible unlikely in general, let alone compared to human fallibility.
- barelyauser 3y agoThey are literally falling apart at this point...
- mschuster91 3y agoOne thing I won't ever understand is why we allow large airports to be located in a way that puts any kind of infrastructure, be it residential, commercial, transportation or recreational, under the flight path for critical phases (i.e. start/land). Right where I used to work there's a memorial placard for a plane that crashed in 1960 due to an engine failure [1], and maybe five minutes worth of walking from where I grew up is another memorial for a plane that failed to start, crashed into a house and led to the deaths of, among others, a significant number of players of the ManU squad [2]. There have been so many incidents and near-incidents that it should be a no-brainer, but eh, guess it's more important to have airports closer to (or even worse, inside) cities. Yes, yes, I know, airplane travel is one of the safest modes of transportation there is, but still, a dominant majority of accidents in commercial aviation happens during landing and takeoff [3]. GA is a bit different because it seems that a lot of GA pilots fuck up maneuvering [4], but still, takeoff and landing account for about half the incidents. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flugzeugungl%C3%BCck_am_17._Dezember_1960_in_M%C3%BCnchen https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flugzeugungl%C3%BCck_am_17._De... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_air_disaster https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_air_disaster [3] https://www.statista.com/chart/31529/most-airplane-accidents-happen-during-landing/ https://www.statista.com/chart/31529/most-airplane-accidents... [4] https://www.redbirdflight.com/landing/general-aviation-accidents-maneuvering-flight https://www.redbirdflight.com/landing/general-aviation-accid...
- psunavy03 3y agoThey did generally put airports out in the middle of the sticks . . . and then stuff grew up around them.
- heironimus 3y agoIf I live within two miles of an airport, directly on the flight path, what are the odds of my house being damaged by a plane versus burning down by other causes, damaged by a falling tree, struck by lightning, etc. I don’t know, but am certain it’s negligible comparatively.
- imbnwa 3y agoTaking off from O’Hare airport in Chicago typically requires ascending over miles of residential neighborhoods
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- ummonk 3y agoThose cars are a lot less damaged than I’d have expected. Thank goodness no one was hurt.
- NKosmatos 3y agoCould have been a really serious accident, luckily no injuries. On the funny side of this, I hope their car insurance covers falling airplane tires :-)
- tempestn 3y agoAnd somehow all the replies are blaming DEI or affirmative action. Twitter's really gone off the rails.
- zerocrates 3y agoSomehow the "anti-DEI" people really latched on to Boeing. Not just Boeing themselves but also pilots for some reason... maybe spurred on by the fact that the pilots of the Alaska flight were both women? Not that the pilots did anything wrong in that incident, of course. I can't really tell if the fact that Elon's been very active in this... let's call it "discourse," is a cause or symptom of it being so oddly widespread. Probably both: a vicious circle.
- hughesjj 3y agoAs yes, it was the female pilots who made MCAS and forgot to put the bolts on the door... Like, I get that people have always been dumb, but man are they loud and aggressive about it these days
- xdennis 3y agoThe left and the right live in completely separate bubbles. You may not be aware of this story, but the right is. See https://www.faa.gov/pwdp https://www.faa.gov/pwdp . The Federal Aviation Administration has set a target of hiring people with "severe intellectual disability". > The Secretary of Transportation has set a hiring goal of three (3) percent per fiscal year for individuals with targeted (severe) disabilities. > Targeted disabilities are those disabilities that the federal government, as a matter of policy, has identified for special emphasis in recruitment and hiring. The targeted disabilities are: Hearing (total deafness in both ears) Vision (Blind) Missing Extremities Partial Paralysis Complete Paralysis, Epilepsy Severe intellectual disability Psychiatric disability Dwarfism Edit: If you're into podcasts, listen to this (partial) episode of Blocked and Reported about a different FAA scandal about flight controllers training (the tests were changed to promote trainees who hate science and love risk): https://www.blockedandreported.org/p/premium-the-faas-bizarre-diversity https://www.blockedandreported.org/p/premium-the-faas-bizarr...
- zerocrates 3y agoObviously many eyes will be on Boeing given recent history but I don't know that there's a particular reason to suspect them. In this case I'd look first at possible maintenance issues on United's end, or possibly a manufacturing issue with the wheel/tire.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 3y agoYep. Completely logical. Boeing management is increasingly becoming a lightning rod for any issues that occur with Boeing planes.
- kaycebasques 3y agoI'm curious what the pilot's experience was like. Do I get a notification right away that a wheel fell off or was it a radio call from air traffic control? While I'm in flight, do I have a little camera or something where I can see the wheels? Because there's no way to actually go look at them when they're tucked away and you're flying, right? In other words how did they determine that they should still attempt a normal landing (I guess there aren't really any better other options though, are there?)
- fotta 3y agothey have tire pressure sensors so I'm guessing that the pilot would get an alert that the tire pressure info for that tire disappeared
- oynqr 3y agoBoeing is going to fix this by installing tyre _presence_ sensors.
- justinclift 3y agoBut only sometimes. ;)
- hagbard_c 3y agoNah, they'll be going for the latest iteration of TriMCAS - Tricycle Manoeuvrability Characteristics Augmentation System - which makes the plane behave more or less like it should plus or minus some tyres. They'll make the whole system dependent on a single ABS sensor in one of the front wheels though so if that wheel happens to fall off the plane will ground loop upon touching down.
- rapind 3y agoWith no manual override.
- mjcl 3y ago
- NKosmatos 3y agoBoeing shares seem unaffected by this event. Poor Boeing, this is what happens when you lose your “soul” as a company and you start chasing margins, profit, dividends and you don’t pay attention to you people and your product. Have seen it happening in many big companies, and I don’t understand why intelligent/educated/competent CEOs don’t see this :-(
- nosmokewhereiam 3y agoI believe airline sales may pale in comparison to Global Services revenue.
- arthur_sav 3y ago> Boeing shares seem unaffected by this event. Probably because it's considered too big to fail. It's pretty much backed by the US gov.
- qsi 3y agoMore likely because it's a maintenance issue at the airline, and not a structural issue at Boeing, especially given the 777's solid track record over decades service.
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- SAI_Peregrinus 3y agoTires are a wear item. They get replaced often, by the airline maintenance personnel. On this >20 year old plane, it's far more likely to be United's issue than Boeing's. I'd expect United to see a share price hit if anyone did.
- tycho-newman 3y agoI mean,the plane still worked. Props to Boeing for making flying jalopies that fall apart, but not fatally. That is capitalism at work! You want planes with wheels that don't fall off? Buy an Airbus built by those communist Belgians. Just be prepared for your lower stock yields.
- Zigurd 3y agoThe video shows that the tire didn't come apart. It looks like the wheel came off with the tire attached. For just the tire to fall off whole, lots of bolts holding the two-piece rims together would have to not be bolted, and half the rim would come off, anyway, vs. one big nut holding the wheel to the hub. Still, hard to believe either way: The wheel nut should have something like 250nm of torque, and it has a locking device, and swapping a wheel is a two-man job.
- anon-sre-srm 3y agoAccrual of under-examined metal fatigue likely occurred. This points to serious deficiencies in inspection.
- 2-718-281-828 3y agoi'm wondering what platform could presently take twitter's place for publishing news like this? twitter gets a lot of flak here for political reasons. but it seems it nonetheless serves a societal purpose.
- krapp 3y agoTwitter is a content aggregator. It doesn't publish news. The Twitter post links to the site "unusual whales" which provides an incomplete text of the story which you can find verbatim on numerous news sites, likely aggregated into numerous other news feeds, any of which could serve as a more authoritative source. There is no unique value-add from Twitter in this case, except to push the visibility of some random crypto news site.
- mcv 3y agoAny Fediverse site works. Most are more publicly accessible than Twitter (no limited number of views, and you can actually see replies). The big advantage is that every organisation can run their own server and not be dependent on a single company.
- nojvek 3y agoI did a Boeing factory tour back in the day. At the end of the tour they made everyone say “I ain’t going, if it’s not Boeing” as a way to celebrate their superior plane. Ironically the mantra now is “If it’s Boeing, it ain’t going” Oh how times have changed.
- Whatarethese 3y agoGreat piece on Boeing from Last Week Tonight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oCilY4szc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oCilY4szc
- mike503 3y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oCilY4szc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oCilY4szc Profit over all else, capitalism!