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Global Warming Is Accelerating

13 points by andyjsong 3y ago

barbazoo 3y ago
> SO2 is so obviously the right solution that we should do it now. Here's why The charts don't make that obvious at all. I don't trust people that tell me there's only one solution to a problem. Especially if they don't explain why.
- NewJazz 3y ago
  He might explain why, but he decided to publish on twitter so I have no way of knowing.
  - gmuslera 3y ago
    Following Fermat steps till the end of the world.
andyjsong 3y ago
There's only one thing we can do today to delay it before we burn, enough to solve the problem: SO2 injection
- NewJazz 3y ago
  This is the only thing we can do?
  - netsharc 3y ago
    Nah, we can also debate about it some more as we cook to death... Fucking democracy, the EU governments wanted to improve environmental protections and fucking farmers protested all over. It feels like a dictatorship would work better, e.g. in China there are no NIMBYs about nuclear plants or solar panels. Well there are, but a visit by the police would quieten them. No I wouldn't like to live like that but the alternative is having to be considerate to every fucking Karen's opinion as the world burns...
    - mathgeek 3y ago
      I can’t even imagine a world where a dictator would purely use that power to solve the climate crisis and then return power peacefully.
    - NewJazz 3y ago
      Ah yes, China. What a stellar environmental record they have. And definitely due to their governance, not anything else.
      - netsharc 3y ago
        https://www.brookings.edu/articles/unpacking-chinas-climate-priorities/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/unpacking-chinas-climate-... To be taken with a huge grain of salt since it's a .cn site: https://govt.chinadaily.com.cn/s/202206/13/WS62a69ff5498ea2749279a80b/chinas-green-achievements-in-the-past-decade.html https://govt.chinadaily.com.cn/s/202206/13/WS62a69ff5498ea27... https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-climate-change-policies-environmental-degradation https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-climate-change-polici...: > In 2019, renewables accounted for nearly 15 percent of China’s energy mix, compared to 7 percent a decade earlier. China has used hydropower for years, and it is installing more solar panels and wind power generators as the world’s leading manufacturer of those technologies. It is also boosting its nuclear power capacity, with seventeen reactors under construction as of mid-2021. Whereas in the US, in 10 months the climate policy could be "It's a hoax, folks. Just a big hoax. The biggest hoax ever.".
jaggs 3y ago
Oh here we go again. Another Hacker News post for geo-engineering. Sigh. Such a waste of time. If doesn't fix any problem at all. It's just another vector for making money. Don't look up! https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/opinion/sunday/geoengineering-testing-the-waters.html https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/opinion/sunday/geoenginee...
Alifatisk 3y ago
By looking at the stats, it looks like we've pretty much hit +1,5 degress celsius. Something we all feared, yet it's around the corner now. Scary.
- jfengel 3y ago
  We're hitting 1.5C on an intermittent basis. We hit it last year, and possibly this year, due to El Nino, but we'll probably drop below it next year. Best estimates right now for being +1.5C every year are probably circa 2040. Though it could well be sooner, given how badly we're doing at preventing it.
  - breakyerself 3y ago
    The rate since 1982 is 0.2C per decade, but I would really like to see a chart with 10 year rolling average because it feels like it's going faster than that even before the El nino
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bryanlarsen 3y ago
But is it accelerating or just increasing at a constant rate? The second derivative of the graph looks like ~0 to me. We need to reduce the rate to 0 (or below) which means deceleration.
chomp 3y ago
As far as I can tell, this person’s qualifications are that he has a substack newsletter. His thread omits a lot of information on this topic, and he winds up concluding with a ad plugging a company he’s affiliated with. I’m beyond words.
gmuslera 3y ago
It is our fault that substractive solutions are counterintuitive. So our approach to rebalance a system that we unbalanced adding something is adding even more potentially disruptive things, and, of course, not touching what we added originally nor stop adding even more each year.

13 points by andyjsong 3y ago

> SO2 is so obviously the right solution that we should do it now. Here's why The charts don't make that obvious at all. I don't trust people that tell me there's only one solution to a problem. Especially if they don't explain why.

NewJazz 3y ago
He might explain why, but he decided to publish on twitter so I have no way of knowing.
- gmuslera 3y ago
  Following Fermat steps till the end of the world.

andyjsong 3y ago

There's only one thing we can do today to delay it before we burn, enough to solve the problem: SO2 injection

NewJazz 3y ago
This is the only thing we can do?
- netsharc 3y ago
  Nah, we can also debate about it some more as we cook to death... Fucking democracy, the EU governments wanted to improve environmental protections and fucking farmers protested all over. It feels like a dictatorship would work better, e.g. in China there are no NIMBYs about nuclear plants or solar panels. Well there are, but a visit by the police would quieten them. No I wouldn't like to live like that but the alternative is having to be considerate to every fucking Karen's opinion as the world burns...
  - mathgeek 3y ago
    I can’t even imagine a world where a dictator would purely use that power to solve the climate crisis and then return power peacefully.
  - NewJazz 3y ago
    Ah yes, China. What a stellar environmental record they have. And definitely due to their governance, not anything else.
    - netsharc 3y ago
      https://www.brookings.edu/articles/unpacking-chinas-climate-priorities/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/unpacking-chinas-climate-... To be taken with a huge grain of salt since it's a .cn site: https://govt.chinadaily.com.cn/s/202206/13/WS62a69ff5498ea2749279a80b/chinas-green-achievements-in-the-past-decade.html https://govt.chinadaily.com.cn/s/202206/13/WS62a69ff5498ea27... https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-climate-change-policies-environmental-degradation https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-climate-change-polici...: > In 2019, renewables accounted for nearly 15 percent of China’s energy mix, compared to 7 percent a decade earlier. China has used hydropower for years, and it is installing more solar panels and wind power generators as the world’s leading manufacturer of those technologies. It is also boosting its nuclear power capacity, with seventeen reactors under construction as of mid-2021. Whereas in the US, in 10 months the climate policy could be "It's a hoax, folks. Just a big hoax. The biggest hoax ever.".

jaggs 3y ago

Oh here we go again. Another Hacker News post for geo-engineering. Sigh. Such a waste of time. If doesn't fix any problem at all. It's just another vector for making money. Don't look up! https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/opinion/sunday/geoengineering-testing-the-waters.html https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/opinion/sunday/geoenginee...

Alifatisk 3y ago

By looking at the stats, it looks like we've pretty much hit +1,5 degress celsius. Something we all feared, yet it's around the corner now. Scary.

jfengel 3y ago
We're hitting 1.5C on an intermittent basis. We hit it last year, and possibly this year, due to El Nino, but we'll probably drop below it next year. Best estimates right now for being +1.5C every year are probably circa 2040. Though it could well be sooner, given how badly we're doing at preventing it.
- breakyerself 3y ago
  The rate since 1982 is 0.2C per decade, but I would really like to see a chart with 10 year rolling average because it feels like it's going faster than that even before the El nino

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bryanlarsen 3y ago

But is it accelerating or just increasing at a constant rate? The second derivative of the graph looks like ~0 to me. We need to reduce the rate to 0 (or below) which means deceleration.

chomp 3y ago

As far as I can tell, this person’s qualifications are that he has a substack newsletter. His thread omits a lot of information on this topic, and he winds up concluding with a ad plugging a company he’s affiliated with. I’m beyond words.

gmuslera 3y ago

It is our fault that substractive solutions are counterintuitive. So our approach to rebalance a system that we unbalanced adding something is adding even more potentially disruptive things, and, of course, not touching what we added originally nor stop adding even more each year.