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Google brings Stack Overflow's knowledge base to Gemini for Google cloud

53 points by onatm 3y ago

anotherhue 3y ago
Do we think it's going to meaningfully enrich the data?
- artninja1988 3y ago
  The only SO data not yet incorporated into these models is that which was recently created since the model has been trained. It appears more like a "licensing" deal to give something back for scraping all "their" data like everyone else
  - tracerbulletx 3y ago
    I think it's probably also about continuing to have access to it for updating information.
- emmanueloga_ 3y ago
  This question is likely to be answered with opinions rather than facts and citations. This question has already been asked, and answered. As currently written, the question lacks enough detail or clarity to be answered. Your question is too broad or has multiple parts and needs to be distilled into one. I'm voting to close this question because it has no effort to solve the problem. Expect a lot of enriched answers like these coming soon from Gemini/bard :-p
  - BandButcher 3y ago
    How come they get to talk to the customer that way and not me lol these are literally questions I've given to project managers to help create better requirements but ultimately as a dev you have to come up with "something" regardless and redo the work once the customer complains. Stupid GPTs cutting the line!
the_third_wave 3y ago
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- polotics 3y ago
  Well no... this is the answer I get: Conversation with Gemini. profile picture. please explain to me how to configure the whitelist for the adblock application in OpenWRT. Absolutely! Here's how to configure the whitelist for the adblock application in OpenWRT, along with the considerations to keep in mind: Steps to Configure the Whitelist: Access LuCI: Open a web browser and navigate to your OpenWRT router's web interface (usually http://192.168.1.1 http://192.168.1.1). Log in with your router credentials. Navigate to Adblock: Depending on your specific OpenWRT version, Adblock settings are typically found under: Services -> Adblock Network -> Adblock Locate the Whitelist: There should be a tab or section labeled "Whitelist". You might see two separate sections: Whitelist (Domains): For specifying full domain names. Whitelist (URLs): For adding specific URL paths on a website you want to allow, while the rest of the domain remains blocked. Add Entries: Type or paste the domains or URLs you want to whitelist. Add one entry per line. Save and Apply: Save your changes and find the "Restart" or "Apply" button to restart the Adblock service. Your changes should now take effect. Important Considerations: Specificity: Adblock prioritizes specific entries over more general ones. For example, if you add "example.com" to the whitelist, but a blocklist contains a rule for "[invalid URL removed]," the ads subdomain will still be blocked. Be as specific as possible when adding whitelist entries. Regular Updates: Blocklists are often dynamic, so revisit your whitelist occasionally to ensure your intended sites aren't accidentally blocked due to changes in the blocklists. Syntax: Full domains: www.example.com Specific URL paths: /videos/* (allows everything under the "videos" path) Example: If you want to allow all of youtube.com and only the videos section of news.com, your whitelist might look like this: www.youtube.com news.com/videos/* Troubleshooting: If whitelisting isn't working as intended: Double-check syntax: Ensure proper formatting, no spaces, and correct domain spelling. Clear browser cache: Hard refresh your browser after applying changes (Ctrl+F5 or Cmd+Shift+R) Inspect Adblock's Query Log: Go to the Adblock settings in LuCi and look for a "Query Log" section. This can help pinpoint if a whitelisted domain is still being blocked unexpectedly. Let me know if you'd like help with specific domains or URL paths, and I can provide tailored instructions!
archsurface 3y ago
I don't understand these instances of using ML to return search results. DDG, returns results; ML returns results, possibly with hallucination. Even without the hallucination what's the point? I find the results I need from a search engine. Solution looking for a problem?
- AlienRobot 3y ago
  I don't know what Google is going to do with it, but Bing is absolutely ruining their search engine with AI. You search for something, AI starts typing out an answer in a typewriter effect. Since AI, I can't trust anymore that the snippets shown at the top are verbatim quotes from a human-written article or something the AI came up with (not considering they could be quoting an AI-generated article!). At the bottom of the search page, where the "next page" would normally be the rightmost button, it's now the "chat" GPT button. I misclick it every time I want to see the next page. I bet that is driving up some metrics and making some engineers really confused about why people keep clicking the chat button and then not chatting. Overall this all feels so unimaginative. With all the resources these companies have the only solution they can come up with for the search problem is "just throw AI at it." I could come up with that. It's not clever.
  - nolongerthere 3y ago
    Curious why you ever use bing to begin with?
    - AlienRobot 3y ago
      They sponsor my browser of choice, Vivaldi. Unlike Google, I can click the second tab every time and it goes to image search. Wait, actually they put "copilot" there and image search is the third tab now. Either way point stands: no shuffling of tabs. Image search is actually better than Google. I can search for exact image sizes. Google used to offer this! I can just type my screen width and height and find the perfect wallpaper. Wait, it says "at least" here, not "exactly," so I guess it just stores the total amount of pixels of an image and then multiplies the width and height you inputted... Can you believe this? It's 2024 and I can't even find an image by size on the Internet. I can't even trust the second tab is going to be the images tab. And some people think AI is going to fix software. It's ridiculous. It's just laughable. And so depressing.
benpopper1 3y ago
One comment to add here - regardless of where you stand on this particular LLM provider: Do we want knowledge communities like Stack Overflow or Reddit to continue to exist? Should big AI providers that train on their data share some of the value back to the community? Is there an ethical way for web communities to license data to AI providers? I hope the answer is yes and that there is a path to a productive partnership, one that allows public communities where knowledge is shared freely to thrive, while also bringing more grounded and vetted content to AI systems that are often closed and require a subscription to access.
- ForHackernews 3y ago
  > Should big AI providers that train on their data share some of the value back to the community? How would they do that? So far, the LLMs can't be trusted to produce accurate answers. The AI companies can pay money to the data sources, but they can't really offer back anything useful (yet, imho).
  - Crye 3y ago
    For free integrate back into stack overflow. there are tons of questions that never get answered. This also provides a public forum for that response to be corrected and provided feedback. symbiosis.
    - ForHackernews 3y ago
      By definition, aren't those difficult questions to answer? Is there any reason to think the LLMs would succeed where humans have failed? I mean, I'm sure they would produce some output...but is a misleadingly-incorrect answer better than no answer to a thorny obscure question?
      - BandButcher 3y ago
        Well the least they could do imo would be to post or comment that a question is a duplicate of another or link to the top voted answer. Similar to how users on HN post links to "on going discussion threads" for duped posts. Its grunt work that these bots should at least be able to regurgitate or find easily. Also theres a chance these LLMs have access to other tech forums in addition to stack overflow and could possibly provide a solution. For example GitHub has actually been the better source for me when debugging issues. Usually you can go to the repo and search the issues and read comments with solutions or workarounds. But aside from that i am in agreeance with you that these bots will struggle to provide new, non regurgitated answers and could potentially cause more harm than good
skymast 3y ago
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croes 3y ago
Stackoverflow's knowledge? Isn't it the knowledge of its users?
- YesThatTom2 3y ago
  Don’t anthropomorphize computers—they hate it.
johnny_canuck 3y ago
I'm curious about the longevity of these sort of collaborations - in the future who is contributing to these knowledge bases? I imagine the communities that surround these places will fade away if new users are unaware of them and content creation begins to halt. Though I suppose that is a short sighted concern in itself given the way in which we work will begin to evolve quickly as AI becomes more powerful. In the end, I guess they end up being a positive press story for Google / Open AI / etc.?
- kemotep 3y ago
  Yeah does the AI then go and upvote or downvote sources to its responses based on the end user feedback?
  - BandButcher 3y ago
    I mean we already have that with social media posts getting phantom likes and bot comments to give the appearance of "engagement". You know the same playbook will unfold when the CEOs want the numbers or perceived value to go up.
- polytely 3y ago
  It really feels analogous to overfishing or deforestation, where it's very profitable at the moment for whoever is doing the harvesting but then ruins the resource for anyone in the future.
htrp 3y ago
So much for deep and thoughtful adoption of AI. We're just gonna go full-speed ahead and damn the consequences.
- jgalt212 3y ago
  If it doesn't work, then Stack Overflow got some free money. If it does work, new knowledge production / acquisition will suffer. Or will Gemeni pay for answers to questions it does not know. Then some script kiddie using OpenAI will answer then, and then our internet hive mind will take the shape of a Habsburg Jaw.
StimDeck 3y ago
My experience of stack overflow is that the question in the title is too often not answered directly. The specific issue is tangentially related to the title and the answer can amount to a typo or a bad assumption. There are often clues in the comments that are more helpful than the “answer” and often outdated answers have the most votes. All this to ask, how on earth is something like an LLM expected to reconcile those issues.
ChrisArchitect 3y ago
Official Stack Overflow post: https://stackoverflow.blog/2024/02/29/defining-socially-responsible-ai-how-we-select-api-partners/ https://stackoverflow.blog/2024/02/29/defining-socially-resp...
egberts1 3y ago
... kinda already tainted by Google Gemini importing the likes of Reddit, DemocratUnderground or Daily Kos, no?

53 points by onatm 3y ago

anotherhue 3y ago

Do we think it's going to meaningfully enrich the data?

artninja1988 3y ago
The only SO data not yet incorporated into these models is that which was recently created since the model has been trained. It appears more like a "licensing" deal to give something back for scraping all "their" data like everyone else
- tracerbulletx 3y ago
  I think it's probably also about continuing to have access to it for updating information.
emmanueloga_ 3y ago
This question is likely to be answered with opinions rather than facts and citations. This question has already been asked, and answered. As currently written, the question lacks enough detail or clarity to be answered. Your question is too broad or has multiple parts and needs to be distilled into one. I'm voting to close this question because it has no effort to solve the problem. Expect a lot of enriched answers like these coming soon from Gemini/bard :-p
- BandButcher 3y ago
  How come they get to talk to the customer that way and not me lol these are literally questions I've given to project managers to help create better requirements but ultimately as a dev you have to come up with "something" regardless and redo the work once the customer complains. Stupid GPTs cutting the line!

the_third_wave 3y ago

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polotics 3y ago
Well no... this is the answer I get: Conversation with Gemini. profile picture. please explain to me how to configure the whitelist for the adblock application in OpenWRT. Absolutely! Here's how to configure the whitelist for the adblock application in OpenWRT, along with the considerations to keep in mind: Steps to Configure the Whitelist: Access LuCI: Open a web browser and navigate to your OpenWRT router's web interface (usually http://192.168.1.1 http://192.168.1.1). Log in with your router credentials. Navigate to Adblock: Depending on your specific OpenWRT version, Adblock settings are typically found under: Services -> Adblock Network -> Adblock Locate the Whitelist: There should be a tab or section labeled "Whitelist". You might see two separate sections: Whitelist (Domains): For specifying full domain names. Whitelist (URLs): For adding specific URL paths on a website you want to allow, while the rest of the domain remains blocked. Add Entries: Type or paste the domains or URLs you want to whitelist. Add one entry per line. Save and Apply: Save your changes and find the "Restart" or "Apply" button to restart the Adblock service. Your changes should now take effect. Important Considerations: Specificity: Adblock prioritizes specific entries over more general ones. For example, if you add "example.com" to the whitelist, but a blocklist contains a rule for "[invalid URL removed]," the ads subdomain will still be blocked. Be as specific as possible when adding whitelist entries. Regular Updates: Blocklists are often dynamic, so revisit your whitelist occasionally to ensure your intended sites aren't accidentally blocked due to changes in the blocklists. Syntax: Full domains: www.example.com Specific URL paths: /videos/* (allows everything under the "videos" path) Example: If you want to allow all of youtube.com and only the videos section of news.com, your whitelist might look like this: www.youtube.com news.com/videos/* Troubleshooting: If whitelisting isn't working as intended: Double-check syntax: Ensure proper formatting, no spaces, and correct domain spelling. Clear browser cache: Hard refresh your browser after applying changes (Ctrl+F5 or Cmd+Shift+R) Inspect Adblock's Query Log: Go to the Adblock settings in LuCi and look for a "Query Log" section. This can help pinpoint if a whitelisted domain is still being blocked unexpectedly. Let me know if you'd like help with specific domains or URL paths, and I can provide tailored instructions!

archsurface 3y ago

I don't understand these instances of using ML to return search results. DDG, returns results; ML returns results, possibly with hallucination. Even without the hallucination what's the point? I find the results I need from a search engine. Solution looking for a problem?

AlienRobot 3y ago
I don't know what Google is going to do with it, but Bing is absolutely ruining their search engine with AI. You search for something, AI starts typing out an answer in a typewriter effect. Since AI, I can't trust anymore that the snippets shown at the top are verbatim quotes from a human-written article or something the AI came up with (not considering they could be quoting an AI-generated article!). At the bottom of the search page, where the "next page" would normally be the rightmost button, it's now the "chat" GPT button. I misclick it every time I want to see the next page. I bet that is driving up some metrics and making some engineers really confused about why people keep clicking the chat button and then not chatting. Overall this all feels so unimaginative. With all the resources these companies have the only solution they can come up with for the search problem is "just throw AI at it." I could come up with that. It's not clever.
- nolongerthere 3y ago
  Curious why you ever use bing to begin with?
  - AlienRobot 3y ago
    They sponsor my browser of choice, Vivaldi. Unlike Google, I can click the second tab every time and it goes to image search. Wait, actually they put "copilot" there and image search is the third tab now. Either way point stands: no shuffling of tabs. Image search is actually better than Google. I can search for exact image sizes. Google used to offer this! I can just type my screen width and height and find the perfect wallpaper. Wait, it says "at least" here, not "exactly," so I guess it just stores the total amount of pixels of an image and then multiplies the width and height you inputted... Can you believe this? It's 2024 and I can't even find an image by size on the Internet. I can't even trust the second tab is going to be the images tab. And some people think AI is going to fix software. It's ridiculous. It's just laughable. And so depressing.

benpopper1 3y ago

One comment to add here - regardless of where you stand on this particular LLM provider: Do we want knowledge communities like Stack Overflow or Reddit to continue to exist? Should big AI providers that train on their data share some of the value back to the community? Is there an ethical way for web communities to license data to AI providers? I hope the answer is yes and that there is a path to a productive partnership, one that allows public communities where knowledge is shared freely to thrive, while also bringing more grounded and vetted content to AI systems that are often closed and require a subscription to access.

ForHackernews 3y ago
> Should big AI providers that train on their data share some of the value back to the community? How would they do that? So far, the LLMs can't be trusted to produce accurate answers. The AI companies can pay money to the data sources, but they can't really offer back anything useful (yet, imho).
- Crye 3y ago
  For free integrate back into stack overflow. there are tons of questions that never get answered. This also provides a public forum for that response to be corrected and provided feedback. symbiosis.
  - ForHackernews 3y ago
    By definition, aren't those difficult questions to answer? Is there any reason to think the LLMs would succeed where humans have failed? I mean, I'm sure they would produce some output...but is a misleadingly-incorrect answer better than no answer to a thorny obscure question?
    - BandButcher 3y ago
      Well the least they could do imo would be to post or comment that a question is a duplicate of another or link to the top voted answer. Similar to how users on HN post links to "on going discussion threads" for duped posts. Its grunt work that these bots should at least be able to regurgitate or find easily. Also theres a chance these LLMs have access to other tech forums in addition to stack overflow and could possibly provide a solution. For example GitHub has actually been the better source for me when debugging issues. Usually you can go to the repo and search the issues and read comments with solutions or workarounds. But aside from that i am in agreeance with you that these bots will struggle to provide new, non regurgitated answers and could potentially cause more harm than good

skymast 3y ago

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croes 3y ago

Stackoverflow's knowledge? Isn't it the knowledge of its users?

YesThatTom2 3y ago
Don’t anthropomorphize computers—they hate it.

johnny_canuck 3y ago

I'm curious about the longevity of these sort of collaborations - in the future who is contributing to these knowledge bases? I imagine the communities that surround these places will fade away if new users are unaware of them and content creation begins to halt. Though I suppose that is a short sighted concern in itself given the way in which we work will begin to evolve quickly as AI becomes more powerful. In the end, I guess they end up being a positive press story for Google / Open AI / etc.?

kemotep 3y ago
Yeah does the AI then go and upvote or downvote sources to its responses based on the end user feedback?
- BandButcher 3y ago
  I mean we already have that with social media posts getting phantom likes and bot comments to give the appearance of "engagement". You know the same playbook will unfold when the CEOs want the numbers or perceived value to go up.
polytely 3y ago
It really feels analogous to overfishing or deforestation, where it's very profitable at the moment for whoever is doing the harvesting but then ruins the resource for anyone in the future.

htrp 3y ago

So much for deep and thoughtful adoption of AI. We're just gonna go full-speed ahead and damn the consequences.

jgalt212 3y ago
If it doesn't work, then Stack Overflow got some free money. If it does work, new knowledge production / acquisition will suffer. Or will Gemeni pay for answers to questions it does not know. Then some script kiddie using OpenAI will answer then, and then our internet hive mind will take the shape of a Habsburg Jaw.

StimDeck 3y ago

My experience of stack overflow is that the question in the title is too often not answered directly. The specific issue is tangentially related to the title and the answer can amount to a typo or a bad assumption. There are often clues in the comments that are more helpful than the “answer” and often outdated answers have the most votes. All this to ask, how on earth is something like an LLM expected to reconcile those issues.

ChrisArchitect 3y ago

Official Stack Overflow post: https://stackoverflow.blog/2024/02/29/defining-socially-responsible-ai-how-we-select-api-partners/ https://stackoverflow.blog/2024/02/29/defining-socially-resp...

egberts1 3y ago

... kinda already tainted by Google Gemini importing the likes of Reddit, DemocratUnderground or Daily Kos, no?