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To counter, I think we’ll most likely be fine. It might be two degrees warmer this century. Life will go on just fine. Possibly better in some ways and places.

To counter, I think we’ll most likely be fine. It might be two degrees warmer this century. Life will go on just fine. Possibly better in some ways and places. No problem, relatively speaking, compared to the hazards our ancestors face. If it warms 5C, we might have a real problem on our hands. I don’t think we can predict that, and I don’t think it will happen over 100-200 year timescales. Many people seem to think there will be mass die offs, the ocean will become unsurvivable acidic, and crops won’t grow. I don’t think any of that will happen anytime soon. I think there is a very strong “doom” instinct in humans to think this is the last generation, the end of times. This is just the latest manifestation.

bitfilped 3y ago
And what exactly is preventing us from getting to 5C? We can squabble all we want about what temperature will be "problematic" and the timeline to get there but the trend is set and continuing.
- notadoomer236 3y ago
  Why do you think it will warm 5C? Most of the models - which are not especially accurate or battle tested - don’t put us there. If we bumped to 1000ppm carbon, would the earth warm 5C? That’s a technical question. We don’t know exactly how sensitive the climate is or what feedback mechanisms are at play. I don’t lose sleep over it. But I’m just trying to give my perspective to counter some of the doom, since the doomers are very active online.
londons_explore 3y ago
> Many people seem to think there will be mass die offs Humans have already caused many mass die offs. Go into a forest today and try to catch dinner with your bare hands and you'll find it is near impossible. Yet it used to be possible - that's how our ancestors lived. Us inventing aids like the bow and arrow has depleted the wild animal population enough that we now couldn't survive without such aids.
- inference-lord 3y ago
  I highly doubt bow and arrows have to do with this depletion, Australian Aboriginals were highly highly effective hunters with spears woomeras and boomerangs and there was an abundance of wild life around in their presence.
  - hnfong 3y ago
    But there weren't a billion of them around. FWIW, quoting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_longbow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_longbow : "The trade of yew wood to England for longbows was such that it depleted the stocks of yew over a huge area."
  - Jensson 3y ago
    Australian Aboriginals didn't have bows so not sure how that proves anything.
    - inference-lord 3y ago
      They could've killed a lot of shit with similarly effective weaponry, if they wanted too, their culture wasn't into that. My proof is that they're the oldest surviving civilization on earth and lived mostly a hunter gatherer lifestyle without running out of food and requiring mass scale agriculture to survive.
- notadoomer236 3y ago
  But survive and thrive we do. And if you go to many places in North America (or around the world) you can still see large populations of wild animals, many recovering substantially with improved protection policies.
- lenkite 3y ago
  Growing up in a rural area, I used to catch dinner with a sling as a kid. Fat pigeons were my target. This is still possible today. :)
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swader999 3y ago
Of course life on earth would be overall better if we were slightly warmer. There's far more land outside of the tropics.
- dagss 3y ago
  Better for the few outside the tropics who will shut their borders to the sufferings of those in the tropics..
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bitfilped 3y ago

And what exactly is preventing us from getting to 5C? We can squabble all we want about what temperature will be "problematic" and the timeline to get there but the trend is set and continuing.

notadoomer236 3y ago
Why do you think it will warm 5C? Most of the models - which are not especially accurate or battle tested - don’t put us there. If we bumped to 1000ppm carbon, would the earth warm 5C? That’s a technical question. We don’t know exactly how sensitive the climate is or what feedback mechanisms are at play. I don’t lose sleep over it. But I’m just trying to give my perspective to counter some of the doom, since the doomers are very active online.

londons_explore 3y ago

> Many people seem to think there will be mass die offs Humans have already caused many mass die offs. Go into a forest today and try to catch dinner with your bare hands and you'll find it is near impossible. Yet it used to be possible - that's how our ancestors lived. Us inventing aids like the bow and arrow has depleted the wild animal population enough that we now couldn't survive without such aids.

inference-lord 3y ago
I highly doubt bow and arrows have to do with this depletion, Australian Aboriginals were highly highly effective hunters with spears woomeras and boomerangs and there was an abundance of wild life around in their presence.
- hnfong 3y ago
  But there weren't a billion of them around. FWIW, quoting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_longbow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_longbow : "The trade of yew wood to England for longbows was such that it depleted the stocks of yew over a huge area."
- Jensson 3y ago
  Australian Aboriginals didn't have bows so not sure how that proves anything.
  - inference-lord 3y ago
    They could've killed a lot of shit with similarly effective weaponry, if they wanted too, their culture wasn't into that. My proof is that they're the oldest surviving civilization on earth and lived mostly a hunter gatherer lifestyle without running out of food and requiring mass scale agriculture to survive.
notadoomer236 3y ago
But survive and thrive we do. And if you go to many places in North America (or around the world) you can still see large populations of wild animals, many recovering substantially with improved protection policies.
lenkite 3y ago
Growing up in a rural area, I used to catch dinner with a sling as a kid. Fat pigeons were my target. This is still possible today. :)
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swader999 3y ago

Of course life on earth would be overall better if we were slightly warmer. There's far more land outside of the tropics.

dagss 3y ago
Better for the few outside the tropics who will shut their borders to the sufferings of those in the tropics..

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