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Is the title here implying users will be chatting with bots run by the companies? Why in the world would they do that? Clearly the purpose here is to weed out

Is the title here implying users will be chatting with bots run by the companies? Why in the world would they do that? Clearly the purpose here is to weed out fraud and abuse more easily by analyzing chats between users. I'd welcome it. I'm pretty sure some dating apps already do this, both with text and images, but ChatGPT is probably better at it.

aramova 3y ago
> Clearly the purpose here is to weed out fraud and abuse <meme>Is it though?</meme>
skeeter2020 3y ago
Not in the dating game, but all I've heard is that it's the company themselves creating a giant fraudulent community of "hot young singles in your area". AI will only make this worse.
michaelt 3y ago
Well, it's pretty widely known that a lot of dating websites are full of third-party bots, trying to get you to follow certain instagram/premium snapchat/onlyfans profiles - and pushing romance scams, financial scams and suchlike. It's also pretty widely known that a lot of the big dating websites started out with a bunch of first-party fake profiles and activity, because nobody joins a dating website that doesn't have any users. Usually once the site becomes successful though they get rid of the first-party fake activity though. So first-party bots and bots that are active right now on the major sites are both plausible. Just maybe not first-party bots that are active on the major sites right now.
jerf 3y ago
They don't want to chat with bots. They're going to be unknowingly chatting with bots. It's a logical extension of things that are well established are happening: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38447794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38447794 It's one of the purest examples of short term business thinking I can imagine. Will this goose this quarter's revenue? Heck yeah. But there may not be a dating app market at all in three years once the public realizes that "dating apps" are just fancy wrappers around ChatGPT built to "drive engagement" by making damned sure you don't actually ever enter into a long term relationship with an actual human. It seems dating apps will be leading the way into fulfilling the Dead Internet Theory.
- cal85 3y ago
  This seems unlikely. Even if this were their plan, they surely would do it quietly and not make a press release about it.
  - jerf 3y ago
    Can't get those sweet, sweet AI stock bumps without a press release. Anyhow, I expect them to announce something a lot more innocuous but do something a lot less innocuous. It doesn't have to be exactly what I said, which would be pretty blatant, though personally I have absolutely no problem imagining it would happen, but it'll be something that if someone just directly described it to you without sugar coating it you'd find offensive, I guarantee it. The game theory all but guarantees it; if $YOU don't do it, someone else will, so it may as well be $YOU. Basically a tragedy of the commons.
    - cal85 3y ago
      Maybe Tinder and some of its competitors will all self-destruct in that way, or retreat into being a kind of lowbrow spamware network for loners. But if so, there will still be a market demand from people who want to meet other humans to reproduce with, and other companies (both existing and new ones) will create new offerings to serve those people. The idea that ‘game theory guarantees’ that everything just turns to shit (which seems to be your view) is evidently wrong. Parts of the economy sometimes self-destruct in that way, but when they do, they leave fertile ground for new things to emerge.
      - jerf 3y ago
        If 'the public realizes that "dating apps" are just fancy wrappers around ChatGPT built to "drive engagement"', they'll salt the earth for any future dating apps. Fertile ground is not guaranteed. This distrust is already building around us right now, it's not a theory. I don't live in Silicon Valley and I think that can sometimes help serve as a counterpoint to an excessively SV-view of the world here on HN sometimes. The normies in my life are already talking about this sort of thing, unprompted by me. Dating apps may be the vanguard but there's plenty of things charging behind them. Game theory does not guarantee that everything turns to shit; that sort of glib summary makes me think you don't know what the tragedy of the commons even is, or the obvious application to a race to the bottom in this particular segment. Again, it's not like it's some brand new hypothesis that dating apps do scummy things to drive engagement; I gave an example. I find people's touching child-like faith that a known-scummy portion of the market won't do some other scummy thing once the opportunity presents itself to be simply incomprehensible. Plenty of people aren't nice, especially people already doing scummy things. Psychopaths are real and do real things to real people in the real world, not some sort of hypothetical construction dreamed up by disconnect ivory tower psychologists as a theoretical test case.

aramova 3y ago

> Clearly the purpose here is to weed out fraud and abuse <meme>Is it though?</meme>

skeeter2020 3y ago

Not in the dating game, but all I've heard is that it's the company themselves creating a giant fraudulent community of "hot young singles in your area". AI will only make this worse.

michaelt 3y ago

Well, it's pretty widely known that a lot of dating websites are full of third-party bots, trying to get you to follow certain instagram/premium snapchat/onlyfans profiles - and pushing romance scams, financial scams and suchlike. It's also pretty widely known that a lot of the big dating websites started out with a bunch of first-party fake profiles and activity, because nobody joins a dating website that doesn't have any users. Usually once the site becomes successful though they get rid of the first-party fake activity though. So first-party bots and bots that are active right now on the major sites are both plausible. Just maybe not first-party bots that are active on the major sites right now.

jerf 3y ago

They don't want to chat with bots. They're going to be unknowingly chatting with bots. It's a logical extension of things that are well established are happening: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38447794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38447794 It's one of the purest examples of short term business thinking I can imagine. Will this goose this quarter's revenue? Heck yeah. But there may not be a dating app market at all in three years once the public realizes that "dating apps" are just fancy wrappers around ChatGPT built to "drive engagement" by making damned sure you don't actually ever enter into a long term relationship with an actual human. It seems dating apps will be leading the way into fulfilling the Dead Internet Theory.

cal85 3y ago
This seems unlikely. Even if this were their plan, they surely would do it quietly and not make a press release about it.
- jerf 3y ago
  Can't get those sweet, sweet AI stock bumps without a press release. Anyhow, I expect them to announce something a lot more innocuous but do something a lot less innocuous. It doesn't have to be exactly what I said, which would be pretty blatant, though personally I have absolutely no problem imagining it would happen, but it'll be something that if someone just directly described it to you without sugar coating it you'd find offensive, I guarantee it. The game theory all but guarantees it; if $YOU don't do it, someone else will, so it may as well be $YOU. Basically a tragedy of the commons.
  - cal85 3y ago
    Maybe Tinder and some of its competitors will all self-destruct in that way, or retreat into being a kind of lowbrow spamware network for loners. But if so, there will still be a market demand from people who want to meet other humans to reproduce with, and other companies (both existing and new ones) will create new offerings to serve those people. The idea that ‘game theory guarantees’ that everything just turns to shit (which seems to be your view) is evidently wrong. Parts of the economy sometimes self-destruct in that way, but when they do, they leave fertile ground for new things to emerge.
    - jerf 3y ago
      If 'the public realizes that "dating apps" are just fancy wrappers around ChatGPT built to "drive engagement"', they'll salt the earth for any future dating apps. Fertile ground is not guaranteed. This distrust is already building around us right now, it's not a theory. I don't live in Silicon Valley and I think that can sometimes help serve as a counterpoint to an excessively SV-view of the world here on HN sometimes. The normies in my life are already talking about this sort of thing, unprompted by me. Dating apps may be the vanguard but there's plenty of things charging behind them. Game theory does not guarantee that everything turns to shit; that sort of glib summary makes me think you don't know what the tragedy of the commons even is, or the obvious application to a race to the bottom in this particular segment. Again, it's not like it's some brand new hypothesis that dating apps do scummy things to drive engagement; I gave an example. I find people's touching child-like faith that a known-scummy portion of the market won't do some other scummy thing once the opportunity presents itself to be simply incomprehensible. Plenty of people aren't nice, especially people already doing scummy things. Psychopaths are real and do real things to real people in the real world, not some sort of hypothetical construction dreamed up by disconnect ivory tower psychologists as a theoretical test case.