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Israel's economy shrinks more than expected on Gaza war

39 points by wootland 3y ago

DataDaemon 3y ago
Maybe stopping the war is the solution?
- readthenotes1 3y ago
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  - hypeit 3y ago
    Why would Hamas want to help the Israeli economy?
  - majikaja 3y ago
    I think the international community has become numb to the issue of the hostages due to the civilian death toll on the other side being so high
    - bsaul 3y ago
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      - hypeit 3y ago
        I don’t think anyone forgot. A lot of people think Israel caused this with Nakba and their actions since then. I don’t want to start a flamewar, I just don’t think people forgot, they’re just not on Israel’s side.
        kasey_junk 3y ago
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        hypeit 3y ago
        I don’t believe there was any sexual assault. There’s precedent for this type of armed resistance. The Haitian Slave Revolt and the Pueblo Revolt are both very similar. I think Oct 7th was justified, I don’t want to litigate it here though. This will be my last comment, I just want to state what a lot of people are thinking so it’s not misrepresented. I know many people here won’t agree.
        kasey_junk 3y ago
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        weatherlite 3y ago
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      - jstarfish 3y ago
        Not one single person forgot what triggered it. Most people who aren't bots or shills just disagree that this is at all an appropriate response. Killing civilians in retaliation is not war and no amount of rabbinic rhetoric makes it right. Find a diplomatic solution. It's almost like Israel [leadership] wants another generation of people to hate the Jews. But what do I know of persecution; I'm just a gypsy. Everybody loves when my people come around.
        enterprise_cog 3y ago
        Zionists benefit from antisemitism. It furthers the idea that Jews are only safe in Israel. It’s part of the reason they call everything antisemitism, it scares the diaspora and justifies the existence of Israel.
        tptacek 3y ago
        They also call a lot of things antisemitic because they are antisemitic. The notion that Israel is an ethnically Euro-American colony is antisemitic (and racist), erasing the MENA origins of a plurality of its citizens. The notion that Jewish Americans are untrustworthy interlocutors because they have duel loyalties is antisemitic. Calls to "decolonize" Israel and to "globalize the Intifadah" are straightforward appeals to ethnic violence on civilians, just as "Palestinians had a right to self-defense against colonizers" is a straightforward excusal of an atrocity. This stuff is all over the place. Just today, the Harvard Faculty SJP chapter posted an old racist SNCC poster depicting a hand with a Star of David puppeteering two Black men. Nobody can deny that the concept of "antisemitism" is weaponized against critics of Israel. But at the same time, nobody can deny that many critics of Israel, or out ignorance or animus, weaponize antisemitism against Israel.
        Qem 3y ago
        On this conflation, I think the best discussion I read up to now was this: https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-weekend-essay/in-the-shadow-of-the-holocaust https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-weekend-essay/in-the-shad...
ComputerGuru 3y ago
This is despite Israel’s sizable defense sector making out like bandits. Elbit Systems has never had to fulfill so many orders for Hermes drones. They’ve been really hindered by the dysfunction on Capitol Hill. I imagine when the USA gets around to injecting 14 billion (more) taxpayer dollars into Israel’s extermination^H self-defense campaign at least a few billion of those won’t be in the form of credit towards purchases from the US defense sector and the Israeli economy will see some sort of bounce.
- myth_drannon 3y ago
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- foofie 3y ago
  > Elbit Systems has never had to fulfill so many orders for Hermes drones. Wikipedia says that Hermes drones were initially planned for deployment on 2015, and they were rushed into service a year or so earlier than expected because Israel's armed forces were in desperate need for a long endurance UAV. This is Israel's first full-scale war since then. Obviously they need long endurance UAVs more than never, and "never" in this context is barely now. I think you tried to put a spin a personal opinion that ultimately just means "an army needs equipment during a war", as if it was surprising.
SomeoneFromCA 3y ago
Good.

39 points by wootland 3y ago

DataDaemon 3y ago

Maybe stopping the war is the solution?

readthenotes1 3y ago
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- hypeit 3y ago
  Why would Hamas want to help the Israeli economy?
- majikaja 3y ago
  I think the international community has become numb to the issue of the hostages due to the civilian death toll on the other side being so high
  - bsaul 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - hypeit 3y ago
      I don’t think anyone forgot. A lot of people think Israel caused this with Nakba and their actions since then. I don’t want to start a flamewar, I just don’t think people forgot, they’re just not on Israel’s side.
      - kasey_junk 3y ago
        [flagged]
        hypeit 3y ago
        I don’t believe there was any sexual assault. There’s precedent for this type of armed resistance. The Haitian Slave Revolt and the Pueblo Revolt are both very similar. I think Oct 7th was justified, I don’t want to litigate it here though. This will be my last comment, I just want to state what a lot of people are thinking so it’s not misrepresented. I know many people here won’t agree.
        kasey_junk 3y ago
        [flagged]
        weatherlite 3y ago
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    - jstarfish 3y ago
      Not one single person forgot what triggered it. Most people who aren't bots or shills just disagree that this is at all an appropriate response. Killing civilians in retaliation is not war and no amount of rabbinic rhetoric makes it right. Find a diplomatic solution. It's almost like Israel [leadership] wants another generation of people to hate the Jews. But what do I know of persecution; I'm just a gypsy. Everybody loves when my people come around.
      - enterprise_cog 3y ago
        Zionists benefit from antisemitism. It furthers the idea that Jews are only safe in Israel. It’s part of the reason they call everything antisemitism, it scares the diaspora and justifies the existence of Israel.
        tptacek 3y ago
        They also call a lot of things antisemitic because they are antisemitic. The notion that Israel is an ethnically Euro-American colony is antisemitic (and racist), erasing the MENA origins of a plurality of its citizens. The notion that Jewish Americans are untrustworthy interlocutors because they have duel loyalties is antisemitic. Calls to "decolonize" Israel and to "globalize the Intifadah" are straightforward appeals to ethnic violence on civilians, just as "Palestinians had a right to self-defense against colonizers" is a straightforward excusal of an atrocity. This stuff is all over the place. Just today, the Harvard Faculty SJP chapter posted an old racist SNCC poster depicting a hand with a Star of David puppeteering two Black men. Nobody can deny that the concept of "antisemitism" is weaponized against critics of Israel. But at the same time, nobody can deny that many critics of Israel, or out ignorance or animus, weaponize antisemitism against Israel.
        Qem 3y ago
        On this conflation, I think the best discussion I read up to now was this: https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-weekend-essay/in-the-shadow-of-the-holocaust https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-weekend-essay/in-the-shad...

ComputerGuru 3y ago

This is despite Israel’s sizable defense sector making out like bandits. Elbit Systems has never had to fulfill so many orders for Hermes drones. They’ve been really hindered by the dysfunction on Capitol Hill. I imagine when the USA gets around to injecting 14 billion (more) taxpayer dollars into Israel’s extermination^H self-defense campaign at least a few billion of those won’t be in the form of credit towards purchases from the US defense sector and the Israeli economy will see some sort of bounce.

myth_drannon 3y ago
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foofie 3y ago
> Elbit Systems has never had to fulfill so many orders for Hermes drones. Wikipedia says that Hermes drones were initially planned for deployment on 2015, and they were rushed into service a year or so earlier than expected because Israel's armed forces were in desperate need for a long endurance UAV. This is Israel's first full-scale war since then. Obviously they need long endurance UAVs more than never, and "never" in this context is barely now. I think you tried to put a spin a personal opinion that ultimately just means "an army needs equipment during a war", as if it was surprising.

SomeoneFromCA 3y ago

Good.