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I wonder if you could be prosecuted based on how long you turned a sentient machine off. Not murder, per se, but the time value of consciousness. And this ble

I wonder if you could be prosecuted based on how long you turned a sentient machine off. Not murder, per se, but the time value of consciousness. And this bleeds into whether murder should be a bigger crime if the (bio)victim is younger. What might you try to say is the general spirit? The crime of denying agency over time?

godelski 3y ago
I would conditionally be in favor of that actually. But it may be difficult to properly contextualize, especially not being a creature that does this. Sleep is analogous but incomplete. Maybe closer to anesthesia? Like if you forcefully placed someone into a coma we'd consider that a crime, but we don't consider it to be the case for a doctor, even if a doctor does it (acting as a doctor, not just being a doctor) without the person's consent. Context matters. This aspect to me comes down to reasonable (like medical) and/or necessity (like sleep) I'm sure we'd also have to consider lifetime lengths. I don't think someone drugging me for a day should receive the same punishment as someone that did it for a month who didn't do the same as someone that took years from me. And which years matter. The question is how we deal with this for entities with different lifespans. (sorry if I'm verbose, distillation takes time. I also communicate better through analogies and I think it is also illustrative of the spirit argument as you must understand intent over what's actually said) So I think the spirit of these laws is centered around robing someone of time, because time is a non-reversible (and definitely not invertible) process that has a has significant value. That's what the laws' underlying intent is (at least partially) aligned to. So that's what I'd call the spirit. It's quite possible other entities see time differently and length of time has different value impacts as well as the means for removing said time. Overall I think these things are deceptively simple. But in reality nuance dominates. I think this is a far more general phenomena than many care to admit, probably because our brains are intended to simplify as it's far more energy efficient. I mention this though because it is critical to understanding the argument and how (at least I personally) we can make future predictions and thus what we must consider.
- ForIveSyntax 3y ago
  Alright, another for you because I like the cut of your gib. Consider the octopus, whose nervous system is distributed into nodes in the head and limbs. Would severing a limb of a hypothetical sentience-uplifted octopus be a greater crime than severing the limb of a human? A human loses twice as much in terms of limb, but ignore that for sake of argument. The octopus loses a more significant part of its nervous system. This feels like another aspect of robbing a sentience of agency. So with sentient machines, if I removed a stick of RAM or underclocked the CPU, what do you think of these?
  - godelski 3y ago
    I feel like you should be able to infer my answer. It's about impact. I don't know enough to confidently say one thing or another. But I'm sure someone can and it should be reasonable.

godelski 3y ago

I would conditionally be in favor of that actually. But it may be difficult to properly contextualize, especially not being a creature that does this. Sleep is analogous but incomplete. Maybe closer to anesthesia? Like if you forcefully placed someone into a coma we'd consider that a crime, but we don't consider it to be the case for a doctor, even if a doctor does it (acting as a doctor, not just being a doctor) without the person's consent. Context matters. This aspect to me comes down to reasonable (like medical) and/or necessity (like sleep) I'm sure we'd also have to consider lifetime lengths. I don't think someone drugging me for a day should receive the same punishment as someone that did it for a month who didn't do the same as someone that took years from me. And which years matter. The question is how we deal with this for entities with different lifespans. (sorry if I'm verbose, distillation takes time. I also communicate better through analogies and I think it is also illustrative of the spirit argument as you must understand intent over what's actually said) So I think the spirit of these laws is centered around robing someone of time, because time is a non-reversible (and definitely not invertible) process that has a has significant value. That's what the laws' underlying intent is (at least partially) aligned to. So that's what I'd call the spirit. It's quite possible other entities see time differently and length of time has different value impacts as well as the means for removing said time. Overall I think these things are deceptively simple. But in reality nuance dominates. I think this is a far more general phenomena than many care to admit, probably because our brains are intended to simplify as it's far more energy efficient. I mention this though because it is critical to understanding the argument and how (at least I personally) we can make future predictions and thus what we must consider.

ForIveSyntax 3y ago
Alright, another for you because I like the cut of your gib. Consider the octopus, whose nervous system is distributed into nodes in the head and limbs. Would severing a limb of a hypothetical sentience-uplifted octopus be a greater crime than severing the limb of a human? A human loses twice as much in terms of limb, but ignore that for sake of argument. The octopus loses a more significant part of its nervous system. This feels like another aspect of robbing a sentience of agency. So with sentient machines, if I removed a stick of RAM or underclocked the CPU, what do you think of these?
- godelski 3y ago
  I feel like you should be able to infer my answer. It's about impact. I don't know enough to confidently say one thing or another. But I'm sure someone can and it should be reasonable.