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It's obviously a CEO selling his own product so not much to comment on. There is definitely a place for both headsets. The main part I laugh at though is him co

It's obviously a CEO selling his own product so not much to comment on. There is definitely a place for both headsets. The main part I laugh at though is him complaining about a slight motion blur in Vision Pro when moving your head quickly when the quest 3 has the most insane picture warping ever in passthrough mode around the hands and edges of the screen.

gonzo41 3y ago
I'm a VR/AR doubter. Both of these products won't change the world, and will probably wither on the vine. Most people can't afford this stuff and it doesn't actually solve a problem. It more tickles a desire for novelty. I'm not saying they won't sell a lot of this stuff, I just don't see it being a mainstream item ever. I could be wrong, but Zuck is just trying to save his ~billions he's wasted on the metaverse.
- Panini_Jones 3y ago
  Do you have an opinion on the future of consumer computing? Do you think we'll be using laptops in 2064? Genuinely curious.
  - gonzo41 3y ago
    I still write with pens and pencils, I am confident that typing will hang onto keyboards and laptops will be more powerful, but pretty similar to what they are now.
    - renegat0x0 3y ago
      I write more often on a "onyx boox" to take notes, and read. Do not think that everybody still uses pens and pencils that often.
- threeseed 3y ago
  iPad is about 30 billion in revenue each year. For a device that even now many people would question what problem it solves.
  - gonzo41 3y ago
    I don't doubt that they will sell. I just don't think it's the future the hype is making out.
  - Gigachad 3y ago
    The iPad solves a lot of very obvious problems. For drawing it’s one of the best value products around, for PoS and restaurant ordering software it’s the best option, and for media consumption it’s a pretty good option.
  - otabdeveloper4 3y ago
    The iPad is a game console for most people. As such it works great.
  - Mandelmus 3y ago
    A big portion, maybe even a majority, of my fellow students uses an iPad.
- renegat0x0 3y ago
  The first question would be: do you have a VR headset with 10 games / programs in it? If not then you are not doubter. You can have doubts, express them, but if you do not tried VR headset for several days I would say such opinion would not be worth much. I use quest often just to work out. I am lazy and I do not want to go to the gym. I start pistol whip and after a few minutes I feel much better. It can be a demanding game for my spine. Experiences in VR are not experiences that could be observed on a flat screen. It is different to move a player in a game, and to climb a nearly lifelike skyscraper. It is different to play a diablo, and be surprised when skeleton attacks you from behind.
  - timeon 3y ago
    > do you have a VR headset with 10 games / programs in it? Many people simply have no desire for such thing. An 10 games? Who has time for that?
    - dns_snek 3y ago
      You could say the same thing about any activity, including eating good food. Being uninterested is different from being a "doubter", the latter implies your belief that there's no market for it. Headsets need to slim down, investments need to be made to produce more high quality virtual experiences, and developers need to learn how to utilize the new medium to its fullest extent. Most of them are still designing VR experiences like they're flat screen games instead of truly taking advantage of interactive worlds. Displaying a floating 2D interface inside a 3D world ought to be a sin. If those things happen, I believe the masses will jump on board. It has the potential to be a complete paradigm shift for gaming and entertainment from merely observing an experience (and interacting with it in a limited fashion through a controller), to actively participating in a virtual environment using your entire body and most of your senses. It's one thing to watch a video of someone playing VR games and a whole another thing to put the headset on and see the virtual world for yourself with life-like depth perception and intuitive interaction. Racing games are naturally suited to this with a headset, steering wheel, and pedals.
      - 3y ago
Gigachad 3y ago
It’s a shame he isn’t in a position to speak honestly. Seems like the Vision Pro is a massively better product, but the price tag reflects it. Though being a semi open platform is probably a huge benefit for the quest. If you want to play games, the video pro is pretty useless and probably always will be given apples track record with gaming.

gonzo41 3y ago

I'm a VR/AR doubter. Both of these products won't change the world, and will probably wither on the vine. Most people can't afford this stuff and it doesn't actually solve a problem. It more tickles a desire for novelty. I'm not saying they won't sell a lot of this stuff, I just don't see it being a mainstream item ever. I could be wrong, but Zuck is just trying to save his ~billions he's wasted on the metaverse.

Panini_Jones 3y ago
Do you have an opinion on the future of consumer computing? Do you think we'll be using laptops in 2064? Genuinely curious.
- gonzo41 3y ago
  I still write with pens and pencils, I am confident that typing will hang onto keyboards and laptops will be more powerful, but pretty similar to what they are now.
  - renegat0x0 3y ago
    I write more often on a "onyx boox" to take notes, and read. Do not think that everybody still uses pens and pencils that often.
threeseed 3y ago
iPad is about 30 billion in revenue each year. For a device that even now many people would question what problem it solves.
- gonzo41 3y ago
  I don't doubt that they will sell. I just don't think it's the future the hype is making out.
- Gigachad 3y ago
  The iPad solves a lot of very obvious problems. For drawing it’s one of the best value products around, for PoS and restaurant ordering software it’s the best option, and for media consumption it’s a pretty good option.
- otabdeveloper4 3y ago
  The iPad is a game console for most people. As such it works great.
- Mandelmus 3y ago
  A big portion, maybe even a majority, of my fellow students uses an iPad.
renegat0x0 3y ago
The first question would be: do you have a VR headset with 10 games / programs in it? If not then you are not doubter. You can have doubts, express them, but if you do not tried VR headset for several days I would say such opinion would not be worth much. I use quest often just to work out. I am lazy and I do not want to go to the gym. I start pistol whip and after a few minutes I feel much better. It can be a demanding game for my spine. Experiences in VR are not experiences that could be observed on a flat screen. It is different to move a player in a game, and to climb a nearly lifelike skyscraper. It is different to play a diablo, and be surprised when skeleton attacks you from behind.
- timeon 3y ago
  > do you have a VR headset with 10 games / programs in it? Many people simply have no desire for such thing. An 10 games? Who has time for that?
  - dns_snek 3y ago
    You could say the same thing about any activity, including eating good food. Being uninterested is different from being a "doubter", the latter implies your belief that there's no market for it. Headsets need to slim down, investments need to be made to produce more high quality virtual experiences, and developers need to learn how to utilize the new medium to its fullest extent. Most of them are still designing VR experiences like they're flat screen games instead of truly taking advantage of interactive worlds. Displaying a floating 2D interface inside a 3D world ought to be a sin. If those things happen, I believe the masses will jump on board. It has the potential to be a complete paradigm shift for gaming and entertainment from merely observing an experience (and interacting with it in a limited fashion through a controller), to actively participating in a virtual environment using your entire body and most of your senses. It's one thing to watch a video of someone playing VR games and a whole another thing to put the headset on and see the virtual world for yourself with life-like depth perception and intuitive interaction. Racing games are naturally suited to this with a headset, steering wheel, and pedals.
    - 3y ago

Gigachad 3y ago

It’s a shame he isn’t in a position to speak honestly. Seems like the Vision Pro is a massively better product, but the price tag reflects it. Though being a semi open platform is probably a huge benefit for the quest. If you want to play games, the video pro is pretty useless and probably always will be given apples track record with gaming.