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I offer one more alternative. Double the tax every year, and once the ip holder decides not to pay the tax, IP is released to public domain. No compnay has mone

I offer one more alternative. Double the tax every year, and once the ip holder decides not to pay the tax, IP is released to public domain. No compnay has money to keep IP indefinitely in such a scheme.

KittenInABox 3y ago
I would suggest only for corporations above a certain size. I would appreciate if some old music composer somewhere gets to continue being old and stuff without worrying about this sort of thing.
- polishTar 3y ago
  A lot of patent trolls are very small companies though
  - kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
    It would have to be managed by tracking the number of active patents. You get 100 active patents tax free. Over that, and you have to pay an annual fee. This allows for independent inventors to operate as the system intended while clamping down on NPEs.
- DylanDmitri 3y ago
  Music compositions get covered by copyright. Patents are another section of law.
- nextaccountic 3y ago
  Music is coveredby copyright , an entirely different law
akoboldfrying 3y ago
What do you think will happen if IP becomes impossible to afford, as it surely will under such a policy? Do you think companies that value IP will bother investing further in R&D, let alone even stay in your country? Congratulations on the massive net loss in taxable income in your country. EDIT: Removed some mean words.
- dustingetz 3y ago
  in the software ip case, they can invest in building competitive products in an open market. If your software IP is a secret then don’t publish!
  - akoboldfrying 3y ago
    So, for example, the secret sauce that makes the CPLEX and Gurobi solvers tens or hundreds of times faster than open source equivalents should simply be released to the public, leading to the immediate loss of 90% of those products' competitive advantage? You don't see how such a policy would spur terror among large, profitable companies with trade secrets, leading to them moving overseas?
    - Rygian 3y ago
      If it's secret sauce, it's not a patent.
    - beepbooptheory 3y ago
      In these threads it always end up being: "Sure Foo would be nice, but, I don't know if you are aware, we are actually held at gunpoint by the status quo; its all really a non starter when you consider this fact." If this is the only real problem, than why not just let them go overseas? Let the market play it out? The boon of progress and freedom X country would get from becoming even little more rational about IP would pay for itself and be better for actual people.
      - mschuster91 3y ago
        > The boon of progress and freedom X country would get from becoming even little more rational about IP would pay for itself and be better for actual people. That's what China has been doing for decades, and "gongkai" [1] is just one tiny part of it. While life for the average Chinese citizen has gone up - the CCP managed to lift hundreds of millions of people out of poverty - the life of most Western populations has gone down the drain as entire industries, entire towns were unable to cope with unfair competition. The societal consequences of that will haunt us all for many years to come. [1] https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297 https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297
shiroiushi 3y ago
I've proposed this alternative on message forums like this for probably 20 years now, but specifically for copyright. I think it'd be a great way to let Disney and co. have the long copyright terms they want for extremely valuable properties, but get other stuff into the public domain much, much faster. Instead of doubling every year, my proposal is 5-year terms: the first is free, then $1000 for the next 5, $10k for the next 5, $100k for the next 5, etc. Feel free to adjust the actual dollar amounts, but you get the idea. Most stuff would be in the public domain after 10 years, if not 5.

KittenInABox 3y ago

I would suggest only for corporations above a certain size. I would appreciate if some old music composer somewhere gets to continue being old and stuff without worrying about this sort of thing.

polishTar 3y ago
A lot of patent trolls are very small companies though
- kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
  It would have to be managed by tracking the number of active patents. You get 100 active patents tax free. Over that, and you have to pay an annual fee. This allows for independent inventors to operate as the system intended while clamping down on NPEs.
DylanDmitri 3y ago
Music compositions get covered by copyright. Patents are another section of law.
nextaccountic 3y ago
Music is coveredby copyright , an entirely different law

akoboldfrying 3y ago

What do you think will happen if IP becomes impossible to afford, as it surely will under such a policy? Do you think companies that value IP will bother investing further in R&D, let alone even stay in your country? Congratulations on the massive net loss in taxable income in your country. EDIT: Removed some mean words.

dustingetz 3y ago
in the software ip case, they can invest in building competitive products in an open market. If your software IP is a secret then don’t publish!
- akoboldfrying 3y ago
  So, for example, the secret sauce that makes the CPLEX and Gurobi solvers tens or hundreds of times faster than open source equivalents should simply be released to the public, leading to the immediate loss of 90% of those products' competitive advantage? You don't see how such a policy would spur terror among large, profitable companies with trade secrets, leading to them moving overseas?
  - Rygian 3y ago
    If it's secret sauce, it's not a patent.
  - beepbooptheory 3y ago
    In these threads it always end up being: "Sure Foo would be nice, but, I don't know if you are aware, we are actually held at gunpoint by the status quo; its all really a non starter when you consider this fact." If this is the only real problem, than why not just let them go overseas? Let the market play it out? The boon of progress and freedom X country would get from becoming even little more rational about IP would pay for itself and be better for actual people.
    - mschuster91 3y ago
      > The boon of progress and freedom X country would get from becoming even little more rational about IP would pay for itself and be better for actual people. That's what China has been doing for decades, and "gongkai" [1] is just one tiny part of it. While life for the average Chinese citizen has gone up - the CCP managed to lift hundreds of millions of people out of poverty - the life of most Western populations has gone down the drain as entire industries, entire towns were unable to cope with unfair competition. The societal consequences of that will haunt us all for many years to come. [1] https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297 https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297

shiroiushi 3y ago

I've proposed this alternative on message forums like this for probably 20 years now, but specifically for copyright. I think it'd be a great way to let Disney and co. have the long copyright terms they want for extremely valuable properties, but get other stuff into the public domain much, much faster. Instead of doubling every year, my proposal is 5-year terms: the first is free, then $1000 for the next 5, $10k for the next 5, $100k for the next 5, etc. Feel free to adjust the actual dollar amounts, but you get the idea. Most stuff would be in the public domain after 10 years, if not 5.