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What changed with boot camps?

ildjarn 3y ago
It’s the shift of perception from technology being “geek stuff” to a lucrative field on par with finance, medicine and law. Before, someone who knew a bit of programming was likely to be passionate and with high potential. Now they may still be, but also they may just a way to get rich quick.
- vik0 3y ago
  But the vast majority of people who go to programming bootcamps don't get rich quickly, or rich at all. Same with most people in the world who practice medicine or law Or did you mean to convey that people who go to boot camps think it's a way to get rich quick? Your wording is a bit confusing toward the end there
  - shakow 3y ago
    I think he means that ‶guy who knows to code″ used to be a statistically strong marker of ‶tinkering guys with a potential″, which is less true now that IT is now socially internationally perceived as a high-reward career, hence a one where people may go either because they like it, or just because they want to make stacks.
    - kasey_junk 3y ago
      The problem with this theory is people have been saying it for 25 years. At least as long as I’ve been in the profession. And it’s not historically accurate in the past either. Programming was a clerical job for much of it’s history.
      - ozim 3y ago
        Have to agree, the 'dot com bust' was around 25 years ago, bubble started somewhere 1998-1999.
  - bryanrasmussen 3y ago
    >But the vast majority of people who go to programming bootcamps don't get rich quickly, or rich at all. Same with most people in the world who practice medicine or law but they do get a reasonable shot at a middle class lifestyle with potential to do really well at some point. That's better than a lot of career paths give you nowadays.
  - rstephenson2 3y ago
    Boot camps take the “seems to be passionate about coding in their free time” signals and help their students try to fit those signals by encouraging them to build personal projects on GitHub etc. This somewhat dilutes the ability of recruiters to check off “has some GitHub projects” as a heuristic, however useful that was to begin with.
  - john-radio 3y ago
    > But the vast majority of people who go to programming bootcamps don't get rich quickly, or rich at all. Of course not, but that's the sales pitch, isn't it?

It’s the shift of perception from technology being “geek stuff” to a lucrative field on par with finance, medicine and law. Before, someone who knew a bit of programming was likely to be passionate and with high potential. Now they may still be, but also they may just a way to get rich quick.

vik0 3y ago
But the vast majority of people who go to programming bootcamps don't get rich quickly, or rich at all. Same with most people in the world who practice medicine or law Or did you mean to convey that people who go to boot camps think it's a way to get rich quick? Your wording is a bit confusing toward the end there
- shakow 3y ago
  I think he means that ‶guy who knows to code″ used to be a statistically strong marker of ‶tinkering guys with a potential″, which is less true now that IT is now socially internationally perceived as a high-reward career, hence a one where people may go either because they like it, or just because they want to make stacks.
  - kasey_junk 3y ago
    The problem with this theory is people have been saying it for 25 years. At least as long as I’ve been in the profession. And it’s not historically accurate in the past either. Programming was a clerical job for much of it’s history.
    - ozim 3y ago
      Have to agree, the 'dot com bust' was around 25 years ago, bubble started somewhere 1998-1999.
- bryanrasmussen 3y ago
  >But the vast majority of people who go to programming bootcamps don't get rich quickly, or rich at all. Same with most people in the world who practice medicine or law but they do get a reasonable shot at a middle class lifestyle with potential to do really well at some point. That's better than a lot of career paths give you nowadays.
- rstephenson2 3y ago
  Boot camps take the “seems to be passionate about coding in their free time” signals and help their students try to fit those signals by encouraging them to build personal projects on GitHub etc. This somewhat dilutes the ability of recruiters to check off “has some GitHub projects” as a heuristic, however useful that was to begin with.
- john-radio 3y ago
  > But the vast majority of people who go to programming bootcamps don't get rich quickly, or rich at all. Of course not, but that's the sales pitch, isn't it?