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Fastext is basically the four coloured buttons that are basically shortcuts to pages. It isn't related to page caching.

jonatron 3y ago
I think in practice, TV's that had Fastext also had memory for pages. I couldn't find much info so for any people searching in the future: search FLOF in https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_i_ets/300700_300799/300706/01_40_57/ets_300706e01o.pdf https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_i_ets/300700_300799/300706...
- Symbiote 3y ago
  I can't say my parents' TVs had zero memory, but it was at least very limited compared to my grandparents' TV. The former was maybe fast if you were on page X and navigated to page X+1, X+2, maybe X+3 and X+4 (is that how the coloured buttons were usually arranged?) but for everything else was slow. At my grandparents, every page was retrieved almost instantly.
  - jonatron 3y ago
    It makes sense given how expensive memory used to be. I also remember my grandparents TV having much better teletext than mine.
  - NeoTar 3y ago
    >is that how the coloured buttons were usually arranged? I think it depends on the system in use, but from my recollection it was a hierachical system - so from the home-page you may have links to News, Sport, Weather and TV Listings; from the News Page, the links may have been to National News, Regional News, etc. Maybe when you got to an individual story one would be a link to 'next page' (or story) and the other 'previous page'? One of the best uses I found was a low-fi daily quiz. Each page had a question and four answers, and you pushed the button for which you thought was correct. I think it also demonstrated that pages need not have a completely numeric id - I recall the quiz pages being something like '12;' - presumably to stop you cheating and jumping directly to an answer. For more info on the quiz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboozle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboozle!
bemusedthrow75 3y ago
I believe Fastext was implemented with pre-caching. Since the page declared which the four page numbers were, the Teletext decoder was able to pre-fetch those pages while you read? This is what made it fast. Essentially if you spent half a minute reading a page, the four coloured fast text pages were already received.

I think in practice, TV's that had Fastext also had memory for pages. I couldn't find much info so for any people searching in the future: search FLOF in https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_i_ets/300700_300799/300706/01_40_57/ets_300706e01o.pdf https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_i_ets/300700_300799/300706...

Symbiote 3y ago
I can't say my parents' TVs had zero memory, but it was at least very limited compared to my grandparents' TV. The former was maybe fast if you were on page X and navigated to page X+1, X+2, maybe X+3 and X+4 (is that how the coloured buttons were usually arranged?) but for everything else was slow. At my grandparents, every page was retrieved almost instantly.
- jonatron 3y ago
  It makes sense given how expensive memory used to be. I also remember my grandparents TV having much better teletext than mine.
- NeoTar 3y ago
  >is that how the coloured buttons were usually arranged? I think it depends on the system in use, but from my recollection it was a hierachical system - so from the home-page you may have links to News, Sport, Weather and TV Listings; from the News Page, the links may have been to National News, Regional News, etc. Maybe when you got to an individual story one would be a link to 'next page' (or story) and the other 'previous page'? One of the best uses I found was a low-fi daily quiz. Each page had a question and four answers, and you pushed the button for which you thought was correct. I think it also demonstrated that pages need not have a completely numeric id - I recall the quiz pages being something like '12;' - presumably to stop you cheating and jumping directly to an answer. For more info on the quiz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboozle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboozle!

bemusedthrow75 3y ago

I believe Fastext was implemented with pre-caching. Since the page declared which the four page numbers were, the Teletext decoder was able to pre-fetch those pages while you read? This is what made it fast. Essentially if you spent half a minute reading a page, the four coloured fast text pages were already received.