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Does Hamas have to adhere to an ICJ ordered ceasefire?

• threeseed 3y ago
  No. Because they are a terrorist organisation. Israel is expected to because they are not.
  • mantas 3y ago
    Hamas is democratically elected government in Gaza.
    • aaomidi 3y ago
      Really? Democratically elected? Elections in Gaza, over a decade ago, are the bar for democracy now?
    • Sporktacular 3y ago
      Please put some more effort into researching your talking points. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/was-hamas-elected-to-govern-gaza-george-w-bush-2006-palestinian-election.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/was-hamas-electe...
      • dang 3y ago
        Please make your substantive points without swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    • envfriendly 3y ago
      While that's technically true, they were elected in 2006 and since then no elections have been held. Not only that, members of the Hamas murdered Fatah rivals in the years that followed. Not to mention that most of the population today in Gaza are so young that they didn't even vote Hamas in. So while they have majority support, it's not like they've had any real alternative.
      • mikrotikker 3y ago
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    • bawolff 3y ago
      It doesn't matter. Hamas is not a member of the ICJ. The state of palestine is a member but hamas aren't recognized as the representive of the state of palestine. Additionally, the state of palestine is not a party to this case. So no, the icj cannot tell hamas to do anything. The only people it can give orders to in this case are israel and south africa. Hamas's crines are the juridsiction of the ICC.
      • djakaitis 3y ago
        Hamas is the elected body of Gaza. It also has over 75% support according to several polls post 10/7. By all means it represents the interest of Gaza’s people whether anyone wants to admit that or not.
        • bawolff 3y ago
          That has no relavence to if they have signed the icj treaty or if the UN recognizes them as the government of palestine. You could argue they should be, but what is and what should be are entirely different things.
    • orochimaaru 3y ago
      Not entirely true. Yes, they were elected in 2007 but they have not allowed the Fatah after that. The last election may have been 2012. So considering the amount of time elapsed I wouldn’t consider them legitimately elected. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip
• pphysch 3y ago
  Hamas/Al-Qassam Brigades outright said today that they would willingly comply with a ceasefire order.
  • eej71 3y ago
    I think its reasonable to expect the same level of adherance to such a ceasefire that was also in place prior to Oct 7th.
  • mrguyorama 3y ago
    And we should believe that why? They have also said they would do Oct 7th again as many times as they could.
    • pphysch 3y ago
      You only have to believe what you want to believe. I'm just answering the GP's question in the most direct possible way, by referencing the answer of a primary party. Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-it-will-abide-by-any-icj-ceasefire-order-if-israel-reciprocates-2024-01-25/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-it-will...
  • djakaitis 3y ago
    They (Hamas) broke the first temporary cease fire several times. I highly doubt their sincerity.