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FAO: People who're claiming GenAi will replace artist jobs. It might happen but it's extremely difficult even using state of the art models like stable diffusi

by safog 3y ago

FAO: People who're claiming GenAi will replace artist jobs. It might happen but it's extremely difficult even using state of the art models like stable diffusion v6 to get consistent results. There's usually some part or the other of the picture that's broken and it takes a lot of work with prompting, blending, varying to get it to work. Buy the subscription for 30$ or whatever and give it a shot. First you'll be amazed but then you start noticing the minor flaws and how much effort it takes to make it good enough. It's still possible that some jobs will get replaced, not every NPC detail needs to be hand drawn perfectly, but let's see.

pimlottc 3y ago
FAO?
- nvr219 3y ago
  for attention of
- riley_dog 3y ago
  https://fluentslang.com/fao-meaning/ https://fluentslang.com/fao-meaning/
- dmoy 3y ago
  For the Attention Of
- reaperman 3y ago
  "For Attention Of" https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fao# https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fao#
- jasonlotito 3y ago
  Apparently, something that can be replaced with the word "For". It's odd, because FAO takes a LOT more text to get it's point across compared to "For" even though technically they are both the same number of letters. Consider also that "For" sounds natural, but in this case, FAO does not.
- neogodless 3y ago
  I was about to say - https://www.google.com/search?q=FAO https://www.google.com/search?q=FAO > Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations: Home (Obviously NOT what the original commenter meant, but no context!)
loregate 3y ago
True, it's good as a one shot generator to then get a bunch of results and decide which to keep. Once you have to modify the generated result you usually also don't have layers or context to easily modify it anymore, so you end up wasting if not more time than if you would've done it yourself. This doesn't apply to everything though and it's good at prototyping and getting a general idea or feel for the thing that you're trying to make.
gmerc 3y ago
there’s a lot more to game development - environment textures, normal maps, foliage, gui textures, background sounds, concept art, etc and AI has been making a lot inroads to these areas People over index on the hard cases but those are not the majority of work.
- moondev 3y ago
  Curious if there are models trained to output 3d stl (or similar) files instead of 2d png
  - gmerc 3y ago
    Yes, including an open source model from openAI (sharp-e). It’s not very good but it does do it
mgcross 3y ago
An artist (illustrator) friend sent me this link (NSFW) of another artist detailing his process of using img2img to stylize/enhance his illustrations: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/yDb1ax https://www.artstation.com/artwork/yDb1ax Cheesecake content aside, I love seeing AI image generation used as an aid to an artist rather than replacing the artist.
- teddyh 3y ago
  That lower left arm is much too long in the AI generated rendering. Granted, it’s also a bit too long in the drawing, but the rendering makes it even longer.
anonymousd3vil 3y ago
I know it won't replace human artists right off the bat but it will help them accelerate their development. Just like coding assistant, artists can use this to visualize their ideas/drafts and then build upon to tune the work.
romanovcode 3y ago
Tencent fired about 75% of their 3d bone animators last year. All because you could feed the bones to AI and type "it jumps", "it runs", "it crouches" etc.
cchance 3y ago
WTF is Stable Diffusion v6? SDXL is latest and before that 2.1 lol
- artninja1988 3y ago
  Probably reffering to midjourney version 6
lordnacho 3y ago
Mini-mills. AI isn't going to jump in there and do you another Sistine Chapel or Godfather. You have a restaurant, it needs some random Chinese/Italian/Mexican artwork. Are you going to buy a poster? No way, just generate it and hang it up. You have a kid who needs to be entertained. Do I get a team of 200 to write me Frozen, world class singers to sing the songs, and animators? No. We'll start with our own 5-minute Peppa Pig style cartoon. Your widget shop needs a website. Do you go to Getty and find a shot of happy couples or landscapes taken by a professional photographer? No, nobody cares if your happy family has 7 fingers on each hand. Generate the photo, plonk it on your website. As AI swallows the cheap, low-risk stuff, it also gains scale to do higher forms of art. Someday your detective story with weird sweaters and cops with a fcked up home life will also become AI generated. Eventually it will climb mount impossible.
- eek2121 3y ago
  Not unless they stop using copyrighted material it won't. Remember, the legal cases are still ongoing.
  - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
    I think that restriction would cut the dataset by 90%.
  - cma 3y ago
    Didn't Adobe Stock essentially opt everyone in the library in before springing it on them?
- quonn 3y ago
  Maybe it will, maybe it won't. It took Amazon a decade to have a serious impact on the economy, even though it was working from day one. Now we have AI technology that's only half working. So what the impact will be and when is anyone's guess.
cj 3y ago
My sister owns an etsy shop that sells customized items. They have a graphic designer who's in photoshop all day doing the same repetitive task for each item that's ordered. This is the first category of jobs to be killed off. It can't already be killed off because it requires some human judgement (at least right now) to make sure photographs on a custom ornament are centered and cropped in a visually appealing way. I can see AI killing off that kind of low skill graphic design with very limited judgement calls (or creativity) needed.
- quonn 3y ago
  Couldn't conventional software have done this? And it didn't. So why would AI do it now?
  - cj 3y ago
    They're not big enough to pay a developer to write and maintaining a software system. From what I've heard, they were able to use ChatGPT to write applescript shortcuts to automate a lot of the tedious repetitive tasks, without knowing how to code. Basic things like "Open file in photoshop" then "mark file as in-progress in google sheet", etc... So basically the value add was being able to write applescript shortcuts without knowing how to code just by going back and forth with ChatGPT. (This is a boring example but something us developers might take for granted re: use cases for non-developers)
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by safog 3y ago

pimlottc 3y ago

FAO?

nvr219 3y ago
for attention of
riley_dog 3y ago
https://fluentslang.com/fao-meaning/ https://fluentslang.com/fao-meaning/
dmoy 3y ago
For the Attention Of
reaperman 3y ago
"For Attention Of" https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fao# https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fao#
jasonlotito 3y ago
Apparently, something that can be replaced with the word "For". It's odd, because FAO takes a LOT more text to get it's point across compared to "For" even though technically they are both the same number of letters. Consider also that "For" sounds natural, but in this case, FAO does not.
neogodless 3y ago
I was about to say - https://www.google.com/search?q=FAO https://www.google.com/search?q=FAO > Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations: Home (Obviously NOT what the original commenter meant, but no context!)

loregate 3y ago

True, it's good as a one shot generator to then get a bunch of results and decide which to keep. Once you have to modify the generated result you usually also don't have layers or context to easily modify it anymore, so you end up wasting if not more time than if you would've done it yourself. This doesn't apply to everything though and it's good at prototyping and getting a general idea or feel for the thing that you're trying to make.

gmerc 3y ago

there’s a lot more to game development - environment textures, normal maps, foliage, gui textures, background sounds, concept art, etc and AI has been making a lot inroads to these areas People over index on the hard cases but those are not the majority of work.

moondev 3y ago
Curious if there are models trained to output 3d stl (or similar) files instead of 2d png
- gmerc 3y ago
  Yes, including an open source model from openAI (sharp-e). It’s not very good but it does do it

mgcross 3y ago

An artist (illustrator) friend sent me this link (NSFW) of another artist detailing his process of using img2img to stylize/enhance his illustrations: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/yDb1ax https://www.artstation.com/artwork/yDb1ax Cheesecake content aside, I love seeing AI image generation used as an aid to an artist rather than replacing the artist.

teddyh 3y ago
That lower left arm is much too long in the AI generated rendering. Granted, it’s also a bit too long in the drawing, but the rendering makes it even longer.

anonymousd3vil 3y ago

I know it won't replace human artists right off the bat but it will help them accelerate their development. Just like coding assistant, artists can use this to visualize their ideas/drafts and then build upon to tune the work.

romanovcode 3y ago

Tencent fired about 75% of their 3d bone animators last year. All because you could feed the bones to AI and type "it jumps", "it runs", "it crouches" etc.

cchance 3y ago

WTF is Stable Diffusion v6? SDXL is latest and before that 2.1 lol

artninja1988 3y ago
Probably reffering to midjourney version 6

lordnacho 3y ago

Mini-mills. AI isn't going to jump in there and do you another Sistine Chapel or Godfather. You have a restaurant, it needs some random Chinese/Italian/Mexican artwork. Are you going to buy a poster? No way, just generate it and hang it up. You have a kid who needs to be entertained. Do I get a team of 200 to write me Frozen, world class singers to sing the songs, and animators? No. We'll start with our own 5-minute Peppa Pig style cartoon. Your widget shop needs a website. Do you go to Getty and find a shot of happy couples or landscapes taken by a professional photographer? No, nobody cares if your happy family has 7 fingers on each hand. Generate the photo, plonk it on your website. As AI swallows the cheap, low-risk stuff, it also gains scale to do higher forms of art. Someday your detective story with weird sweaters and cops with a fcked up home life will also become AI generated. Eventually it will climb mount impossible.

eek2121 3y ago
Not unless they stop using copyrighted material it won't. Remember, the legal cases are still ongoing.
- wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
  I think that restriction would cut the dataset by 90%.
- cma 3y ago
  Didn't Adobe Stock essentially opt everyone in the library in before springing it on them?
quonn 3y ago
Maybe it will, maybe it won't. It took Amazon a decade to have a serious impact on the economy, even though it was working from day one. Now we have AI technology that's only half working. So what the impact will be and when is anyone's guess.

cj 3y ago

My sister owns an etsy shop that sells customized items. They have a graphic designer who's in photoshop all day doing the same repetitive task for each item that's ordered. This is the first category of jobs to be killed off. It can't already be killed off because it requires some human judgement (at least right now) to make sure photographs on a custom ornament are centered and cropped in a visually appealing way. I can see AI killing off that kind of low skill graphic design with very limited judgement calls (or creativity) needed.

quonn 3y ago
Couldn't conventional software have done this? And it didn't. So why would AI do it now?
- cj 3y ago
  They're not big enough to pay a developer to write and maintaining a software system. From what I've heard, they were able to use ChatGPT to write applescript shortcuts to automate a lot of the tedious repetitive tasks, without knowing how to code. Basic things like "Open file in photoshop" then "mark file as in-progress in google sheet", etc... So basically the value add was being able to write applescript shortcuts without knowing how to code just by going back and forth with ChatGPT. (This is a boring example but something us developers might take for granted re: use cases for non-developers)

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