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The recent 737 Max issue doesn't seem particularly aircraft specific. If the QA and culture have gotten that bad then it could happen to 787 just as easily. I

The recent 737 Max issue doesn't seem particularly aircraft specific. If the QA and culture have gotten that bad then it could happen to 787 just as easily. I doubt however this will ever move the needle in terms of passenger numbers. Even for those people who are aware of the issues, a tiny minority of them would pay more to avoid a particular aircraft model.

lostlogin 3y ago
> I doubt however this will ever move the needle in terms of passenger numbers. Maybe, but these things have a momentum and it’s very clear things are moving in an uncomfortable direction for Boeing.
viraptor 3y ago
Yup, some flights are going to be extremely unlikely to change and are basically always 100% booked. QF10 London-Perth (Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner) will not be affected at all by a non-trivial percentage of people refusing to fly it. There's not enough supply on those routes and Qantas can fly whatever they want there.
discordance 3y ago
Frontier Airlines, Hawaiian airlines and Azul Brazilian only operate Airbus aircraft
- wil421 3y ago
  Yea but Qantas never crashed.
  - dingaling 3y ago
    QANTAS have had 14 fatal accidents over their history. The most common claim is that they have never suffered a jet hull loss, which is technically correct as they paid over $100 million to repair 747 VH-OJH instead of letting it be written-off: https://imgur.com/a/LucEz https://imgur.com/a/LucEz
    - VBprogrammer 3y ago
      I sometimes wonder if this is all just hubris or if there are genuine lessons Qantas could share with the rest of the industry. Certainly they have a good enough maintenance program to avoid something like AS261 but everything else seems like it would involve a lot of luck.
    - wil421 3y ago
      It’s a quote from Rain Man and it was not true at the time of the movie either. Great marketing.
- andsoitis 3y ago
  Randomly picked Hawaiian airlines to see what mechanical failures their aircraft have had and I get this list: - Most recent in 2023: significant problems and disruptions due to problems with the Pratt & Whitney PW1100G engines in their A320neo aircraft - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_PW1000G https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_PW1000G - Mid-air diversions: several Hawaiian Airlines flights forced to divert to different airports due to mechanical problems. One example is Flight 383 from Honolulu to Kauai and had to return to Honolulu shortly after takeoff due to unspecified issues - https://liveandletsfly.com/hawaiian-airlines-lax-diversion/ https://liveandletsfly.com/hawaiian-airlines-lax-diversion/ - 1994: Flight 481 experience complete hydraulic system failure en route from Maui to Honolulu - https://archives.starbulletin.com/2000/12/25/news/story3.html https://archives.starbulletin.com/2000/12/25/news/story3.htm... etc.
- trbleclef 3y ago
  Azul also has 40 ATRs and (naturally) Embraer. They actually do operate 2 Boeing 737-400 for cargo use.

lostlogin 3y ago

> I doubt however this will ever move the needle in terms of passenger numbers. Maybe, but these things have a momentum and it’s very clear things are moving in an uncomfortable direction for Boeing.

viraptor 3y ago

Yup, some flights are going to be extremely unlikely to change and are basically always 100% booked. QF10 London-Perth (Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner) will not be affected at all by a non-trivial percentage of people refusing to fly it. There's not enough supply on those routes and Qantas can fly whatever they want there.

discordance 3y ago

Frontier Airlines, Hawaiian airlines and Azul Brazilian only operate Airbus aircraft

wil421 3y ago
Yea but Qantas never crashed.
- dingaling 3y ago
  QANTAS have had 14 fatal accidents over their history. The most common claim is that they have never suffered a jet hull loss, which is technically correct as they paid over $100 million to repair 747 VH-OJH instead of letting it be written-off: https://imgur.com/a/LucEz https://imgur.com/a/LucEz
  - VBprogrammer 3y ago
    I sometimes wonder if this is all just hubris or if there are genuine lessons Qantas could share with the rest of the industry. Certainly they have a good enough maintenance program to avoid something like AS261 but everything else seems like it would involve a lot of luck.
  - wil421 3y ago
    It’s a quote from Rain Man and it was not true at the time of the movie either. Great marketing.
andsoitis 3y ago
Randomly picked Hawaiian airlines to see what mechanical failures their aircraft have had and I get this list: - Most recent in 2023: significant problems and disruptions due to problems with the Pratt & Whitney PW1100G engines in their A320neo aircraft - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_PW1000G https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_PW1000G - Mid-air diversions: several Hawaiian Airlines flights forced to divert to different airports due to mechanical problems. One example is Flight 383 from Honolulu to Kauai and had to return to Honolulu shortly after takeoff due to unspecified issues - https://liveandletsfly.com/hawaiian-airlines-lax-diversion/ https://liveandletsfly.com/hawaiian-airlines-lax-diversion/ - 1994: Flight 481 experience complete hydraulic system failure en route from Maui to Honolulu - https://archives.starbulletin.com/2000/12/25/news/story3.html https://archives.starbulletin.com/2000/12/25/news/story3.htm... etc.
trbleclef 3y ago
Azul also has 40 ATRs and (naturally) Embraer. They actually do operate 2 Boeing 737-400 for cargo use.