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Funny that it's so noticeable because of the hostile architecture.
by maushu 3y ago
Funny that it's so noticeable because of the hostile architecture.
- petesergeant 3y agoWhat is hostile about the architecture here? The armrests?
- jeroenhd 3y agoIf the (quite useless) armrests weren't there to prevent the homeless from sleeping on them, people wouldn't be sitting in the exact same spot every time, causing a light smear instead of defined person-like shaped on the wall.
- frereubu 3y agoPeople would be sitting in the middle of the seats with or without the arm rests. I don't think that would make any difference.
- VBprogrammer 3y agoWhile it's an interesting point. I'm not sure I agree that these are here purely to stop homeless people from sleeping on them. For a start, I would give anyone on the underground about 3 minutes, if they attempted to sleep anywhere, before they were moved on. It's one of the few places where you regularly see staff on the public transport network in London. I think there is a legitimate argument that these arm rests are actually providing a useful service by delimiting the space for each person. Few people will naturally sit on the spot at the end of a bench seat which is already partially occupied (and other people will discourage it by sitting near the middle). Where as people will take an empty seat which is clearly free and separated from the other people on the bench.
- yardstick 3y ago> I think there is a legitimate argument that these arm rests are actually providing a useful service by delimiting the space for each person. Few people will naturally sit on the spot at the end of a bench seat which is already partially occupied (and other people will discourage it by sitting near the middle). Where as people will take an empty seat which is clearly free and separated from the other people on the bench. Yes, exactly this! Especially when the platforms are crowded, it makes so much sense to be efficient on the allocation of seats. Now we’ve still got to deal with some people bag-spreading but normally most people take their bags off as soon as it gets busy or someone asks.
- shermantanktop 3y agoI assume you mean stations/platforms/etc. — the trains themselves have dozing people in seats all the time. And yes, I don’t recall any opportunity to sleep as I shuffled along in the massive crowds for the Waterloo and City line.
- some-human 3y agoPeople without a home do not have access to the platforms that these seats are on. These seats are on the underground, past the ticket barriers, and they would quickly be removed for trespassing on private property, as all TFL stations are staffed. Typically in London, People without a home would be found outside the station, or occasionally in the concourse.
- helboi4 3y agoBro you've clearly never ridden the tube. Homeless people are on it all the time begging. They slip in behind other people through the barriers at busy or unmanned stations.
- some-human 3y agoLondoner for 24 years. I don't know what to tell you, 'Bro'. Yes beggars walk down tube trains trying to get money, but they don't tend to set up shop on the platform which is what we're talking about here. I'm also pretty sure most of the people that have asked me for a quid on the tube were not homeless people, just chancers and drug users. Besides which, once you were past the barrier, sleeping on the tube train itself is likely to be a much more viable and comfortable option than the platform. as for "unmanned stations"? All London Underground stations are rostered to be staffed during operating hours. Stations located underground have specific staffing requirements and minimum staff numbers, which vary depending on the size of the station. This is a fire regulation requirement arising from the King's Cross fire in 1987.
- helboi4 3y agoI mean i think the vast majority of them are homeless and/or drug users. Lots of homeless people are cos they're freezing their nuts off with no hope every day. It's honestly impossible to tell which of them are on drugs and which aren't. But I find it unlikely that most of those people aren't homeless. And yes I know every station has to be staffed. I mean they look for moments of time when no staff are watching the barriers at lower staffed stations. I have had people slip in the barriers behind me it very obviously happens. Homeless people are perfectly able to get in. They don't sleep there because everything possible is done to stop them.
- DrBazza 3y agoI don't think I've ever seen a homeless person sleeping in a London Underground station in 30 years of commuting, and many of them have benches without armrests.
- petesergeant 3y ago> to prevent the homeless from sleeping on them Seems very unlikely that’s why they’re there, given the station is covered in CCTV, highly staffed, and the train itself would be much more comfortable to sleep on > (quite useless) armrests Very useful for apportioning space on the seats for multiple people to sit
- mschuster91 3y agoAnd even if they weren't there for hindering homeless people, they're still hostile for overweight people - the ones, aside geriatrics, that most need the seats.
- renewiltord 3y ago100% US view haha! There is no chance that TFL lets people sleep here.
- staringback 3y agoIt is such a shame how normalized homeless people and transit are in the United States. And they wonder why everybody drives their car?
- staringback 3y agoThis isn't the United States, other countries don't tolerate vagrants sleeping on public transit.
- petesergeant 3y agoWell, without a ticket, anyway. N15 is a three hour bus journey for cheap, overnight, and certainly use to be popular for rough sleepers, providing they had a ticket.
- IshKebab 3y agoWhat hostile architecture? This is on the underground. Nobody is going to be sleeping on these seats.
- throwawayffffas 3y agoThe hostile architecture in this instance is the choice to use benches instead of seats with back support.