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Why don’t people like Linux? Because it takes 8 bloody commands to do something as simple as add a new drive whereas Windows you can just open disk utility and

Why don’t people like Linux? Because it takes 8 bloody commands to do something as simple as add a new drive whereas Windows you can just open disk utility and format. I bounced off Linux a few weeks ago over this. It’s for people who want to tinker more than actually use the system.

freedomben 3y ago
You bounced quickly then without trying very hard. Gnome comes with a GUI disk utility tool pre-installed that is easy enough for a Windows user ;-)
- developerDan 3y ago
  I was recommended a distro that doesn’t use Gnome (Lubuntu). The system I was working with is very old and some light research made it seem like Gnome is pretty resource heavy.
  - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
    I think a lot of times recommending Lubuntu or other niche distros to first-time linux users is a mistake. Instead one should recommend using KDE or Gnome and turning down all of the graphical settings if needed to improve performance.
    - mattl 3y ago
      I think it comes from the idea that you should install Linux to get more time out of aging hardware.
      - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
        Yeah, but for first time users I maintain it'd be better to risk potential slowness than "fast but unacceptable user experience".
        mattl 3y ago
        Fully agree. I don’t really know what the user groups are doing these days? Are installfests still a thing?
  - chronogram 3y ago
    How old are we talking about? 10+ years ago I was running Gnome3 on decent hardware of the time, and everything was snappy[0]. Now all the OS software got faster since then, so everything is still snappy on that thing despite that hardware now being old. Similarly that laptop came with Windows 7 and that was snappy, and the Windows 2021 LTSC on it is also snappy[0]. 0: I care about responsiveness, so I've always disabled animations on every device, so I have no experience if some animations can run at 60fps on some hardware and 30fps on others.
accelbred 3y ago
On Gnome, you open the disk manager. You click format. In fact a lot of things are easier. On windows, you need a third party tool to install an iso onto a disk. On Gnome, you open disk manager, right click disk, click restore from image.
bisby 3y ago
That's untrue though. Linux has a disk utility (I use gparted personally). And you can surely do it on the command line in a single command. On Linux you could automate that task. How would you propose automating "open disk utility and click a few buttons" on Windows? This is less of a "Linux can't" issue and more of a "I quickly know how to do it on Windows after years of experience and I don't know how to do it on Linux." Linux not being identical to Windows isn't a flaw. No one blames you for not wanting to relearn, but pretending like Linux is bad because your Windows muscle memory doesn't apply is nonsense.
- developerDan 3y ago
  When I Googled how to complete this task I came across multiple results all of which suggesting to use a string of CLI commands. GParted was suggested in some of the results but it wasn’t installed by default on the distro I was recommended (Lubuntu) so I had to punch in even more commands to get it installed. Then after creating the partition it was still unusable until I mounted the drive (which wasn’t clear until after Googling why I can’t use it). Mounting required yet more commands. I did a cursory glance at the GUI buttons on GParted and didn’t see a simple mounting option. If you can’t mount in GParted then my claim still stands that it’s much more effort, and obscure, than Windows which automatically “mounts” the drive so to speak, when you create the partition.
  - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
    > GParted was suggested in some of the results but it wasn’t installed by default on the distro I was recommended (Lubuntu You got a less than stellar recommendation based on your desire for parity with ease of use with windows. Lubuntu is a more niche distro aimed at lower resource usage at the expense of the ease of use you are looking for. If you had installed KDE, you'd likely have explored the start menu and found gparted or typed 'disk' into search and found gparted.
  - iknowstuff 3y ago
    I swear the biggest problem with linux is the nerds pushing newbies towards esoteric garbage distros instead of established and widely supported ones like straight up Ubuntu with Gnome.
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COGlory 3y ago
I've literally never used commands to do anything with a disk. I open KDE Partition Manager and do everything in a really nice GUI. `

freedomben 3y ago

You bounced quickly then without trying very hard. Gnome comes with a GUI disk utility tool pre-installed that is easy enough for a Windows user ;-)

developerDan 3y ago
I was recommended a distro that doesn’t use Gnome (Lubuntu). The system I was working with is very old and some light research made it seem like Gnome is pretty resource heavy.
- ParetoOptimal 3y ago
  I think a lot of times recommending Lubuntu or other niche distros to first-time linux users is a mistake. Instead one should recommend using KDE or Gnome and turning down all of the graphical settings if needed to improve performance.
  - mattl 3y ago
    I think it comes from the idea that you should install Linux to get more time out of aging hardware.
    - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
      Yeah, but for first time users I maintain it'd be better to risk potential slowness than "fast but unacceptable user experience".
      - mattl 3y ago
        Fully agree. I don’t really know what the user groups are doing these days? Are installfests still a thing?
- chronogram 3y ago
  How old are we talking about? 10+ years ago I was running Gnome3 on decent hardware of the time, and everything was snappy[0]. Now all the OS software got faster since then, so everything is still snappy on that thing despite that hardware now being old. Similarly that laptop came with Windows 7 and that was snappy, and the Windows 2021 LTSC on it is also snappy[0]. 0: I care about responsiveness, so I've always disabled animations on every device, so I have no experience if some animations can run at 60fps on some hardware and 30fps on others.

accelbred 3y ago

On Gnome, you open the disk manager. You click format. In fact a lot of things are easier. On windows, you need a third party tool to install an iso onto a disk. On Gnome, you open disk manager, right click disk, click restore from image.

bisby 3y ago

That's untrue though. Linux has a disk utility (I use gparted personally). And you can surely do it on the command line in a single command. On Linux you could automate that task. How would you propose automating "open disk utility and click a few buttons" on Windows? This is less of a "Linux can't" issue and more of a "I quickly know how to do it on Windows after years of experience and I don't know how to do it on Linux." Linux not being identical to Windows isn't a flaw. No one blames you for not wanting to relearn, but pretending like Linux is bad because your Windows muscle memory doesn't apply is nonsense.

developerDan 3y ago
When I Googled how to complete this task I came across multiple results all of which suggesting to use a string of CLI commands. GParted was suggested in some of the results but it wasn’t installed by default on the distro I was recommended (Lubuntu) so I had to punch in even more commands to get it installed. Then after creating the partition it was still unusable until I mounted the drive (which wasn’t clear until after Googling why I can’t use it). Mounting required yet more commands. I did a cursory glance at the GUI buttons on GParted and didn’t see a simple mounting option. If you can’t mount in GParted then my claim still stands that it’s much more effort, and obscure, than Windows which automatically “mounts” the drive so to speak, when you create the partition.
- ParetoOptimal 3y ago
  > GParted was suggested in some of the results but it wasn’t installed by default on the distro I was recommended (Lubuntu You got a less than stellar recommendation based on your desire for parity with ease of use with windows. Lubuntu is a more niche distro aimed at lower resource usage at the expense of the ease of use you are looking for. If you had installed KDE, you'd likely have explored the start menu and found gparted or typed 'disk' into search and found gparted.
- iknowstuff 3y ago
  I swear the biggest problem with linux is the nerds pushing newbies towards esoteric garbage distros instead of established and widely supported ones like straight up Ubuntu with Gnome.

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COGlory 3y ago

I've literally never used commands to do anything with a disk. I open KDE Partition Manager and do everything in a really nice GUI. `