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I’ve had people look at me like I’m crazy when I say that the A.I. that will be a threat to humanity will be of Chinese origin. It’s this exact “succeed, at any
by traviswingo 3y ago
I’ve had people look at me like I’m crazy when I say that the A.I. that will be a threat to humanity will be of Chinese origin. It’s this exact “succeed, at any cost” mentality that cements my belief.
- dylan604 3y agostrange comment for this particular video. not really sure what a rapid disassembly of a rocket has to do with AI. i don't disagree though, maybe for differing reasons
- throwup238 3y agoThe boosters should have their own flight termination system which should have exploded if they were going to fall anywhere near populated land. Everyone in the US has to have them even if they're launching from Florida over the ocean and each independent flight component (like rocket boosters) has to have its own. Allowing a rocket to fall on land like that shows extreme contempt for public safety.
- novagameco 3y ago[flagged]
- ryandrake 3y agoI think what OP might be saying is that the attitude that it's OK to just yeet a rocket booster at a populated area, might also not yield much safety when it's applied to Artificial General Intelligence.
- cma 3y agoSpaceX's flight termination system malfunctioned last year as well, though it was out to sea at that point.
- throwaway4aday 3y agoThat's the entire reason why they launch from the coast, so that if something goes wrong the debris or booster will fall into the ocean.
- cma 3y agoWhat if the termination system was needed because it turned out of control early on?
- throwaway4aday 3y agoYou probably still have a >50% chance that it's going to be over water since that's the direction it was initially moving. Yes, if flight termination fails and by chance it vectors backwards towards land somehow without just spinning like out of control rockets normally do then it may fly far enough to wind up on someone else's property but that's why launch sites are located at a reasonable distance from inhabited areas. The point is that it's very different to take all of those precautions vs. just flying your rockets over inhabited areas as a matter of course and not giving a fuck if they land on someone.
- kortilla 3y agoFlight termination system isn’t relevant when you’re deliberately launching over land. The FTS doesn’t disintegrate the thing
- positr0n 3y agoIn general I agree with the point you are making, but if you will indulge my "well actually..." From to the Range Commanders Council Range Safety Group, 2010, summary of FTS requirements: 2. produce a small number of pieces, all of which are unstable and impact within a small footprint; And also another requirement relevant to this particular video where the spent booster clearly had uncombusted carcinogenic hypergolic fuel when it hit the ground: 3. control disposition of hazardous materials (burning propellant, toxic materials, radioactive materials, ordnance, etc.);
- FrustratedMonky 3y agoExactly. The Chinese wont be worried about 'alignment' to prevent bias against minorities. That will be a feature. Success is all that matters.
- thaumasiotes 3y ago[flagged]
- Dalewyn 3y agoChina makes Saudi Arabia look like a paragon of human rights.
- cycrutchfield 3y agoLet’s ask the Uyghurs about those legal privileges.
- thaumasiotes 3y agoThe Uyghurs are a particularly interesting case. Like several Chinese minority groups, they are entitled to extra points on the 高考. Unlike other minority groups, it appears to be relatively common for universities to discount their score by that amount.
- cycrutchfield 3y agoExtra points on some stupid exam are supposed to make up for genocide/extrajudicial internment?
- hn_go_brrrrr 3y agoI imagine you're correct if we're talking about the elite enjoying more legal privileges than us mere commoners. Both counties do have have that in common.
- FrustratedMonky 3y agoIt's complicated isn't it. Yes. As a guest or visitor. I am granted a lot of deference. Especially in someone's home. Chinese are very friendly. But China is modernizing, progressing, very rapidly, and much of that has a human cost. So think it still is correct, that OP was implying, that China will not be as worried about controlling AI. As many fear, China will use AI for surveillance and control.
- diggan 3y ago> It’s this exact “succeed, at any cost” mentality that cements my belief. I think that's a ideology thing that goes across borders, as it's a problem on both sides of the pacific.
- Loughla 3y agoIn the context of this video, you're just wrong. Other countries seem to be very careful with their reentry plans.
- thorum 3y agoThe analogy falls apart with AI, though. - American AI “safety” practices have little or nothing in common with best practices in other fields of engineering, to the extent they can be said to exist at all (most AI safety work focuses on making sure the AI doesn’t say anything that might offend someone). - When a rocket blows up, people die but we learn from the mistake. When an AI seriously “threatens humanity”, humanity dies and we very possibly don’t get a second chance.
- argiopetech 3y agoA rocket booster falling on your head is a real threat. AI taking over the world is, as yet, an imagined threat. When AI proves it will take over the world and China builds theirs without the "don't take over the world" code mandated by every other country, let's talk more.
- thorum 3y ago> let's talk more. Unfortunately if that happens, we won’t be able to!
- diggan 3y agoI don't feel like parent was talking "in the context of this video" as they mentioned AI, so I figured we left that context behind in this comment-tree. Seemingly, I was wrong.
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- dang 3y ago"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html