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Forget spaceships; I just want my music

271 points by panzerboy 3y ago

kieto 3y ago
I have access to 2 or 3 streaming services plus Spotify, which I haven't used in a long time because bittorrent content is always better and faster. Just get the files and play them wherever you want, however you want.
pontifier 3y ago
I started Crossies to solve this problem. My plan was to store physical media for people, and give them remote access. When I heard about Murfie shutting down 4 years ago, I couldn't let it happen and had to get involved. I'm passionate about media ownership. When people question what I'm doing, wonder why anybody would want CDs, or tell me I should just give up, I think about all the transient services and missing media. I'm in this for the long haul, and I'm not going to give up. Media ownership means something, and I'm fighting to make it a reality.
akokanka 3y ago
Torrent and terabytes of data on hard disk ftw!
Syonyk 3y ago
Yup. Sound right. The time spent re-ripping my CD collection to FLAC, my DVD collection to MKV, etc, has been well spent. I can rapidly enough transcode from that to "Whatever I happen to need for where I'm listening to it," and our vehicles have quite the range of local music and audiobook content for road trips that doesn't rely on streaming anything. You can get CDs for (usually) very little on eBay, same for DVDs, and I don't have to worry about the pissing matches between a corporate conglomerate that views me as "a wallet with eyeballs" and another one that views me as "eyeballs with a wallet" getting in the way. Meanwhile, vinyl sales continue to skyrocket, and more and more people are interested in records, growing collections, refurbishing old equipment (both to produce and play records), etc. I expect these are rather heavily correlated, because in 50 years from now, nobody is going to be able to play any of the streaming "content" that flows around. "This is my grandparents favorite Spotify playlist" won't be a thing, but you can certainly go cruising through old photo albums, old record collections, etc. I remain optimistic that we're in the starting phases of a rejection of the online [handwaves at everything digital consumer tech], and it's going to be aided greatly by stuff exactly like this. Profits and corporate pissing matches over "actually doing something people want to pay money for." Google and Disney both seem to be demonstrating that once people lose trust in you, it's basically impossible to get it back. Nobody trusts a new Google product will last more than a year or two, which leads to it getting killed off for lack of use, and Disney/Pixar seem to have forgotten that the purpose of the entertainment industry is to "entertain the people who might want to see your movie." Other studios are doing fine, so there's clearly a demand, but Disney has been dropping an impressive string of box office bombs lately, because a lot of people no longer trust them.
- taylodl 3y ago
  I remain optimistic that we're in the starting phases of a rejection of the online [handwaves at everything digital consumer tech], and it's going to be aided greatly by stuff exactly like this. Profits and corporate pissing matches over "actually doing something people want to pay money for." Your optimism is unfounded. Gen Z thinks it's cool to own an album or two, but they're not building collections. Scrap booking is popular right now, but it's not quite the same thing as photo albums. Everything is ephemeral and by and large they're just fine with that.
  - Syonyk 3y ago
    They're physical things, interacted in the physical world, without any way for the companies involved to claw back the content, or to data-mine the scrapbook, your albums, etc, for listening data and such (though I imagine a smart TV with a mic will try). That's a good direction to see movement in. They're not doing "online scrapbooks" or something. And given the long standing records of "What you said 15 years ago online is used to ruin you today," ephemeral, or "not online in the first place," makes a lot of sense. I'm certainly glad my entire school experience wasn't logged in great detail...
    - toast0 3y ago
      > They're physical things, interacted in the physical world, without any way for the companies involved to claw back the content Oh, there's ways. In the 90s, there was a rental scheme with sealed discs that would degrade in air to become unusable within a week. (At least that was upfront, if wasteful). I've had one at least CD rot from the inside, and it's a major issue for LaserDiscs. Careful material science could make this the norm.
  - deanCommie 3y ago
    Gen Z is young, have no money, have no optimism for the future, are completely un-technical when it comes to computers, but are EXTREMELY technical when it comes to understanding apps, social media, and weird frustrations like this one. It remains to be seen once they enter the job market, and despite the cultural perspective inevitably many do succeed, and start making money. I wouldn't be surprised if they absolutely do focus more on physical media. They are rejecting Instagram look-obsessive culture, and look fondly at what we did in the 2000s when every Party meant a 50-photo Facebook Photo dump, 49 of which would never be "good enough" to make it to Instagram these days.
Semaphor 3y ago
At least so far, Bandcamp has not changed after the sale (neither sale). You can still buy music, and try it out for multiple album streams before buying (unless the artist or label disable it, which is rare), and download as FLAC. Granted, not always useful if what you want is from major labels, but still, keep in mind that there are options.
- Syonyk 3y ago
  Wasn't there some recent article about how Bandcamp got acquired by a competitor and is more or less being left to rot on the vine? I agree, the FLAC downloads are a major perk of it, and I'll happily buy music there. But I wouldn't trust it to be around long term at this point. It's too consumer-friendly to exist long term in this modern world we live in. :(
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    In the long term, everything is temporary. Enjoy the good stuff now while it's here!
    - Syonyk 3y ago
      In the long term, yes. In the human lifespan terms, our digital stuff is a lot more stupidly temporary than it has any good reason to be, and physical media (especially in the realm of music) has rather outlasted it. Records (vinyl) from 60 years ago still play perfectly fine with a cleaning, and CDs are holding up quite well too in general. Because my ability to play a record from the 1960s or 1970s is not dependent on the company that created it still being around, and being willing to license it to the company that delivers it for me to play it, at favorable contract terms, etc, etc, etc.
      - JohnFen 3y ago
        All true -- which is what makes Bandcamp such a treasure. Download the flac and you have it forever (or a reasonable approximation of that).
spicyusername 3y ago
It seems that we've entered the rent-seeking phase of corporate capitalism. Why spend any extra time, money, or energy making new products or services when you can instead make more money doing nothing but using your outsized political and economic power to coerce and extort consumers instead. At this point it's impossible to see how any new merger or acquisition isn't just another step in the wrong direction, handing over yet more power to a small few. At what point is a company too large to effectively serve the public interest? How can we turn this process around and redistribute the economic power of these gigantic corporations?
- Syonyk 3y ago
  > It seems that we've entered the rent-seeking phase of corporate capitalism. Doctorow's word "Enshittification" (which, amazingly, has a rather filled in Wikipedia page now - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification ) captures it quite well.
- dirtybirdnj 3y ago
  > At what point is a company too large to effectively serve the public interest? I use the term "maxium tribe size" to describe the human capability (or incapability) of extending compassion and understanding to a group. Companies don't fail. People fail within companies. People fail other people and hide behind "limited liability" and the sham that is corporate personhood. Every person has a different MaxT. You may not feel the pain of violating this constraint yourself, but lots of people under you will suffer. You may actually feel GREAT, look at all the respect I have gained! I can make things happen, people listen to me... or now I can just ignore them... You don't care because you are blinded by success. Money and power are the worst poisons this world offers. It turns otherwise intelligent and caring people into awful piles of human effluence. It is IMPOSSIBLE to gain sufficient power to drive a company and not lose your sense of humanity. The idea that you will not violate your maximum tribe size in this exercise is insulting. You will quickly be insulated from the consequences of your actions, and no matter how depraved your behavior there will be a line of people congratulating and cheering you on because they desperately want to be the next person in line to enjoy the ride you are on. The people driving enshittification are not human. They may share our genes but they are not part of our society or species anymore.
JohnFen 3y ago
Music is very important to me. So important that I never dared to trust streaming services. Not only do they require an internet connection (something that is not always available), but if the service experiences downtime, license changes, etc., that music is not available. If I'm going to spend my money on music, I'm going to spend it on music in a form that isn't reliant on the ongoing operation of some service somewhere. I want to add it to my collection so I can actually listen to it anytime and anywhere.
- LiquidPolymer 3y ago
  I collect portable music players and hi-fi gear. The music gives me great joy, but the hardware also gives me joy. I’m likely an outlier in this realm. I pre-ordered my new Peter Gabriel I/0 album two months ago on CD and enjoyed the anticipation of waiting. I steadfastly avoided his digital pre-releases. I was not disappointed! It a great album and a beautiful sonic experience. I took a couple of my favorite tracks and mixed it into my Peter Gabriel minidisc mix-tape. I have numerous portable players to choose from in my collection to listen on the go including a few beautifully designed personal CD players. I travel internationally frequently and I’ve noticed TSA occasionally doesn’t know what a CD player is. At least the younger agents.
  - derwiki 3y ago
    That last line tempts me to fly with an audio cassette player this holiday season
    - xethos 3y ago
      My previous TSA agent was thoroughly thrown by my (blade-removed) shavette while travelling with carry-on only. To the point I called out "Oh! Sorry, I already pulled the blade out." while they were examining it.
      - ryloric 3y ago
        Shaving one's beard is an artform that I enjoy as much as a painter enjoys painting. What's the world coming to when there are people who do not know a shavette?
advael 3y ago
There's like not one but multiple microgenres of music you could likely cobble together just out of working musicians' songs complaining about the music industry. In the modern world, probably the by-the-numbers majority of working artists in every medium can effectively self-publish to some degree or another, so as the intermediaries have grown more and more demanding and both creator- and consumer-hostile, they have also become less of a necessary evil for our ability to engage with the works creative people are putting out into the world. Piracy is the most natural and reasonable way to use current technology to consume media, and the massively successful propaganda campaigns to instill a folk belief that it's somehow wrong or doing harm are incredible, given how much quality of life for both the producers and consumers of the actual content is lost in the name of marginal gains in profitability and massive gains in control by intermediary conglomerates that are increasingly unnecessary. It is only by a combination of this mythology and the ever-tighter industry collusion with an increasingly authoritarian surveillance state to make laws to terrorize people who just want their music that this parasitic shape the industry has taken is surviving To me, the notion that a transferrable market-monopoly ownership of intellectual rights to a creative work was ever about helping creators is the kind of ridiculous farce that people like economists can get away with because we've been trained to believe that fancy experts saying counterintuitive things about "incentives" must know something we don't, but even if you believe intellectual property has value, it is not of value for massive corporations to sit on a chokepoint between human beings and their access to their own cultural touchstones
widowlark 3y ago
Capitalism responds to demand. We have to stop paying for convenience and start demanding better. Save your money from Streaming, purchase used and physical only. Force the market to adapt to you.
- advael 3y ago
  The more power companies have to regulate their consumers, as well as the information available to them, the less responsive to demand they have to be. We are in a monopolized enough environment across multiple industries that we can't assume the dynamics of supply and demand work anything like an idealized "free market", if such a thing has ever existed
  - widowlark 3y ago
    As an addendum to my statement: If the changes in demand do not result in a change in supply, then piracy is justified.
    - pierat 3y ago
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      - azzentys 3y ago
        Thanks, that's valuable
        pierat 3y ago
        i expanded it for ya :D Sharing is caring!
      - teddyh 3y ago
chx 3y ago
The beautifully written but not much known Rune Blades Of Celi ebooks no longer can be purchased, as the small publisher is just gone. Of course, the ones I purchased could no longer be downloaded. But want something bigger? Fine. The Wheel Of Time (is that large enough for you?) Complete Edition I bought for over a hundred dollars also can't be donwloaded any more. (And to be more on topic, one of my favorite artists have disappeared from Bandcamp and so did my purchases. And Bandcamp is better in this than others.) You can download all these from torrent trackers. Tell me true, if you can't buy them how on earth it is piracy to download them?
- Damogran6 3y ago
  I got a free download of one of the more forgetful Terminator movies on....Universal? Can't get that back. RCA Lyra protected music? Gone. Paid $10 to Harvey Danger for 'Little by Little' and hey, I can still get it. That's a surprise.
- pavel_lishin 3y ago
  > Tell me true, if you can't buy them how on earth it is piracy to download them? People would argue that it's up to the seller whether they want to make their creations available. If I don't want to sell you something, then I'd entertain the argument that downloading it anyway is in some sense immoral or unethical. But in your situation, you've already fucking bought it! It's as if you placed a pick-up order at the bookstore, showed up to pick up your books, and they told you to eat shit. In which case, acquiring it through other means is completely acceptable, morally and ethically.
  - BobaFloutist 3y ago
    I agree (or at least see the argument) if it's like the original creator who decided they want to keep their hands on the work (or maybe like if a company wants to withdraw one edition of a book to sell a new edition), but in cases where works are orphaned, or the rights are in limbo, or a huge corporation merges with another huge corporation and permanently deletes creators' works for a tax break, I don't think there's any real argument. If I Johnny writer am like "Ok when I was 15 I thought that many consecutive slurs was funny, but now the alt-right is rallying around what was supposed to be satire, so I want it off the market" that's kind of reasonable. If James Writerson has classics that are kind of out of fashion and got converted to ebooks by Big Publisher™ which was then bought by Bigger Publisher™ who decides it's not worth the money to keep the classics on the market (but also refuses to release them back to the estate of James Writerson or to the general public), that's less reasonable.
oldandboring 3y ago
In a very strange way it's almost a return to the pre-VHS days (for video) and pre-vinyl days (for music). You could enjoy the content streamed to you over the airwaves but that was it.
- xerox13ster 3y ago
  In the order that they wanted you to hear it.
  - maratc 3y ago
    With unskippable ads.
- deleted 3y ago
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- creer 3y ago
  There was very little time like that. Where you couldn't hold in your hands the content that you bought. Radio broadcast becomes popular in 1920-1930. While records playing speed standardizes in the late 1920s. Say Wikipedia.The vinyl single and LP are later but you easily buy records long before vinyl. If anything, I don't know that there were paying streaming formats in early radio. There was probably quite a bit of content that was played live on the radio - and not available as recordings. And it would have been pretty hardcore to make your own recording of the stream.
sertbdfgbnfgsd 3y ago
- Download mp3 - Play on VLC. Not complicated.
- mattl 3y ago
  Download the MP3 from where? If you want a copy of a well known song, you might find one, but for something else you might struggle to find one. Your best bet is to buy used CDs and rip them yourself.
  - Nemrod67 3y ago
    rutracker.org has many things archived
  - sertbdfgbnfgsd 3y ago
    > Download the MP3 from where? My guy, this has been solved for about 25 years.
    - mattl 3y ago
      Not everything is ripped and waiting to be downloaded…
      - sertbdfgbnfgsd 3y ago
        If it's not available for download, it's not something I would be interested in :-) I understand that people are different.
- pavel_lishin 3y ago
  The article clearly explained that this was not possible in their case.
- pimlottc 3y ago
  It’s not that simple for the poster’s use case, which is “play whatever my kids want to hear while we’re in the car”
whywhywhywhy 3y ago
> as Sony just decided to yoink over a thousand seasons—that's right, seasons, not episodes—of Discovery shows from the PlayStation Store Didn't realize Sony owned Discovery, oh wait they don't. So it's actually Discovery who's licensing caused Sony to be legally obligated to remove the shows. Sucks if you bought it but yeah just like the games in your Steam library you never actually owned it, you merely licensed it.
- jefftk 3y ago
  Sony shouldn't have sold shows to their customers without first negotiating contracts with the rightsholders ensuring Sony wouldn't have to renege.
  - BizarroLand 3y ago
    And really, Netflix screwed the pooch on this one right at the start by not making licensing rights irrevocable. They could have said, "we'll pay $0.XXX per stream" and media companies would have said, "yay, more money for old crap we don't care about any more" and that would have been that. But because they didn't make it irrevocable, companies have been rug pulling customers ever since
- pierat 3y ago
  > Sucks if you bought it but yeah just like the games in your Steam library you never actually owned it, you merely licensed it. If you're lied to about a "sale" and it's really just a shitty rental, we have a different word for that: FRAUD. And the action that Sony hacked devices and removed said content? It mirrors the individual form of this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38614624 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38614624 ), which is "horribly illegal". I argue it pales in comparison to Sony's actions.
  - thfuran 3y ago
    It shouldn't be legal for a transfer of a revocable license to be described as "buying".
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RecycledEle 3y ago
The Chinese system of central libraries is better than copyright. Imagine having every book ever written, for free, all your life. Imagine authors and inventors being compensated twice what they are usually paid in the USA, while the corporate lawyers panhandle. I know the lawyers would end up as party higher-ups still screwing us, but I can dream.
- TheFuzzball 3y ago
  It's great until you want to read that book about the Tiananmen Square Massacre.
- rakoo 3y ago
  A central, government-run library only shifts censorship from "not profitable" to "not in line with authority". It's not automatically better, but it's the logical one anyway when there's a ruling State.
- BobaFloutist 3y ago
  In a system like that, how do you decide which authors get paid what? Is it per check-out with a floor? I'm genuinely curious.
georgeecollins 3y ago
I buy mp3s so I will always have them. People think I am a crank- maybe so. The difference with media today is that the control often stays in the hands of another party, often not the rights holder. I can accept that knowing that everything I buy I am just renting. The thing that scares me is how a third party can make something effectively impossible to discover. In this generation that's done for profit. But you can imagine where that will lead when what everyone sees is curated in a way they aren't aware of.
at_a_remove 3y ago
I'm considering some kind of combination of autoloader feeding either Exact Audio Copy (which isn't set up for them) or dbpoweramp (which apparently is set up for them) to get metadata, then I guess I will have to pirate or rebuy discs when the AccurateRip indicates that there's some damage to the disc. I've avoided iTunes and its descendants due to all of the horror stories about destroyed music libraries and music "helpfully" replaced in error. Similarly, I haven't signed up for any streaming music since I have an el-cheapo plan and these services sound like they tell you what to listen to. I think having somewhat weird tastes in music and being particular about it has some overlap with having to seek technical solutions which are also not-mainsteam. I am reminded of Pictures for Sad Children, wherein a character's musical preference is "Whatever is on the radio, played a reasonable volume." and realize I am at the other end of that spectrum.
- miah_ 3y ago
  There are some highly opinionated open source tools that do this, like whipper. Getting it all working is.. a bit frustrating. I do wish that whipper had more knobs to tweak rather than being very opinionated in how it rips and what it outputs. For fixing up metadata of your existing collection there is Picard. https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper https://picard.musicbrainz.org/ https://picard.musicbrainz.org/
- paradox460 3y ago
  I've long thought about getting an old Bravo CD burning robot, and making it run "backwards". Always been a "I oughtta" project
- iggldiggl 3y ago
  > I've avoided iTunes and its descendants due to all of the horror stories about destroyed music libraries and music "helpfully" replaced in error. At least on Windows (where iTunes currently still survives in its original form) and with no Apple Music or iTunes Match or whatever subscription to muddle things up, and with the option to let it manage the folder structure of my music library turned off I can't complain about it, though. It does what it's supposed to do and doesn't cause any problems. Although I mostly keep using it for historical reasons, because I used to have an iPod, and when that got replaced by an Android phone, at that time the best solution for syncing music to it was to keep using iTunes together with some third party app which was able to not just sync the music, but also play counts and ratings, too.
jrm4 3y ago
I'm curious as to when exactly these takes are generally going to move from "Please let me have the thing I want and reasonably should have" to an open "Eff it, the tech is here, I'm just taking copies now and you should too." (not that I ought to support that sort of thing, since I am a lawyer and we have promulgated standards of professional behavior I shall tell all of you that that second thing is bad, very bad.)
pkdpic 3y ago
Glad to see this pop up, its been a weirdly big struggle for me as a new-ish parent. For a while my ancient CD collection and healthy ecosystem of local used vinyl / CD stores had us in a nice routine in conjunction with youtube-dl and my posse of old Sony voice memo usb mp3 players. Then youtube-dl wasn't a thing anymore (maybe it is again?)... Then we had to get a new car (a Tacoma)... No CD player, no aux cable. I had really bad early experiences with apple music and Spotify not having stuff I wanted. Unclear artist support reputations also (Im no expert there). But it all had heavy Enshittification vibes early on IMHO. Anyway somehow in my exhausted dad mental state I've concluded that buying albums on iTunes like a maniac is at least worth a try before augmenting my car to have an aux cable and / or peripheral CD player. I held off buying albums on iTunes literally until 2 months ago. Very strange but maybe working. Anyway curious what other folks are doing as far as listening to music. This article was spot on but I needed a Solutions section...
- gkbrk 3y ago
  youtube-dl is still a thing, last commit was one week ago. https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/commits/master https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/commits/master
- all2 3y ago
  Youtube-dl still functions quite well. You can even grab the CLI here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl And occasionally you can find one of their TLDs just by doing a search on DDG or Brave.
- teddyh 3y ago
  > Then youtube-dl wasn't a thing anymore (maybe it is again?)... yt-dlp is definitely a thing: <https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp>
- BobaFloutist 3y ago
  How expensive is it to swap out the media player in your car for something with an aux port? Alternatively, does it not have a USB port?
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DavideNL 3y ago
Anyone else here also still using LogitechMediaServer (and iPeng) to stream their own music? Such an old system (written in Perl), but still runs great! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logitech_Media_Server https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logitech_Media_Server https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver https://hub.docker.com/r/lmscommunity/logitechmediaserver https://hub.docker.com/r/lmscommunity/logitechmediaserver
- venachescu 3y ago
  There are dozens of us! Dozens!
- AtiRadeon9700 3y ago
  I threw that old thing (logitech squeezebox) in the recycling. With how warm it was in standby I bet it cost more money in power bills than itself don'tcha know.
- jjav 3y ago
  > Such an old system (written in Perl), but still runs great! This is the kind of hardware I love. Stable over time, no dependencies. I moved all my music to squeezebox system in 2004 and everything works wonderfully today.
- predakanga 3y ago
  I was amazed to discover, a few months ago, that iPeng is still under active development! I went to set the alarm on my Squeezebox Boom one night and the time picker widget was completely broken. By the next week they'd pushed out an update to fix it. That kind of dedication in a developer is fantastic to see.
- CobaltFire 3y ago
  Logitech Media Server is very common in the Home Assistant world. I'm in the process of setting a server up now actually, and I've never used it before.
donatj 3y ago
I still use whatever they call the service where my ripped CDs get uploaded to my Apple Music library. I have quite a few albums physically that their library lacks and it's been nice to be able to listen to them in my car. Over the last 3 to 4 years though more and more of my music living in the cloud has gotten corrupted, to the point that something like 1 in 10 songs is unlistenable. The source material in my main library still plays fine, nothing wrong with it, but play it on any other device it pops and skips. Doing some googling, I don't seem to be alone in this. It's honestly infuriating and has me potentially searching for some other service.
high_5 3y ago
The true anarchism to the enshittification of the music services would be to just sing or whistle the songs.
- 082349872349872 3y ago
  I've heard rumours there are even analogue "musical instruments" which can be used (especially during Carnaval) to cover music...
gambiting 3y ago
The thing that really worries me and which no one seems to be talking about is the region locking of localisation for streaming content. For context - we're a Polish family living in the UK(like 2 million other Polish people). We have a small child who loves Disney films, and because he is normally exposed to English(and speaks it fluently) I'd like him to at least watch cartoons in Polish. But Disney region locks most(not all, but majority) of Polish localisation to Poland only. When we visit Poland I can watch all Disney content in Polish on my UK account without any issue - but when we're in the UK these localisation options disappear. So Disney clearly has those options but chooses not to offer them. So right now, at least we can still buy DVDs or have those shipped over. But it's clear that Disney wants to stop distribution of physical media - as they've already done in some regions. What then for multilingual families? Just "suck it up" and don't have access to content in my language, because I don't happen to currently live in Poland?
- orloffm 3y ago
  I don't pay for Disney+ in Poland because they don't have Russian. Even though it's a native language of 1M+ immigrants and 99% of their content is translated. They probably just don't want my money, I have no other explanation.
  - gambiting 3y ago
    Well so from what I understand at least part of it due to Disney selling off the rights to various translations to local companies(so for instance the translation to Lion King in Polish is owned by a local media company, not Disney, even though they obviously own the rights to the film), so they don't necessarily have automatic rights to distribute that translation worldwide without permission. But on the other hand......it's Disney. They should be able to consolidate, buy those rights back, and distribute all localizations they have globally.
- keiferski 3y ago
  For your situation specifically check out this site. I think there are some cartoons: https://35mm.online/ https://35mm.online/
gomagnet 3y ago
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thomastjeffery 3y ago
> Enshittification has reached new heights, as Sony just decided to yoink over a thousand seasons—that's right, seasons, not episodes—of Discovery shows from the PlayStation Store. > But they're not just removing them from the store. > They're removing them from people's libraries. That's called fraud. Why in the world are we not prosecuting it?
beej71 3y ago
The other day I was listening to recorded live music on Internet Archive. One of the bands sounded like a lot of fun, so I looked them up online. And what do you know, they're touring and coming to my relatively small town in January. Bought two tickets for 70 bucks from the local venue so we could enjoy some live music. Maybe buy some T-shirts or CDs. So well done, giving your live music away for free. Made you some money, and made me feel like we were doing it right for a change.
lemper 3y ago
i've posted this reply, but i will copy paste it again here: you know, my default stance is pirating is the way. i don't give a shit who "owns" the media. if it's in my harddisk, it should not go away unless I delete it or the system (fs / hw / what have you) is kill. good thing I don't enjoy entertainment like movies or music. but in the small chance I like it, I'd go to the store, get the disk, rip it or just torrent it. but bro! that's immoral and you will suffer in hell! nah bro, we're already in hell. bro! them popos will catch your ass and put you in jail! nah bro, if they don't know, it's not illegal.

271 points by panzerboy 3y ago

I have access to 2 or 3 streaming services plus Spotify, which I haven't used in a long time because bittorrent content is always better and faster. Just get the files and play them wherever you want, however you want.

pontifier 3y ago

I started Crossies to solve this problem. My plan was to store physical media for people, and give them remote access. When I heard about Murfie shutting down 4 years ago, I couldn't let it happen and had to get involved. I'm passionate about media ownership. When people question what I'm doing, wonder why anybody would want CDs, or tell me I should just give up, I think about all the transient services and missing media. I'm in this for the long haul, and I'm not going to give up. Media ownership means something, and I'm fighting to make it a reality.

akokanka 3y ago

Torrent and terabytes of data on hard disk ftw!

Syonyk 3y ago

Yup. Sound right. The time spent re-ripping my CD collection to FLAC, my DVD collection to MKV, etc, has been well spent. I can rapidly enough transcode from that to "Whatever I happen to need for where I'm listening to it," and our vehicles have quite the range of local music and audiobook content for road trips that doesn't rely on streaming anything. You can get CDs for (usually) very little on eBay, same for DVDs, and I don't have to worry about the pissing matches between a corporate conglomerate that views me as "a wallet with eyeballs" and another one that views me as "eyeballs with a wallet" getting in the way. Meanwhile, vinyl sales continue to skyrocket, and more and more people are interested in records, growing collections, refurbishing old equipment (both to produce and play records), etc. I expect these are rather heavily correlated, because in 50 years from now, nobody is going to be able to play any of the streaming "content" that flows around. "This is my grandparents favorite Spotify playlist" won't be a thing, but you can certainly go cruising through old photo albums, old record collections, etc. I remain optimistic that we're in the starting phases of a rejection of the online [handwaves at everything digital consumer tech], and it's going to be aided greatly by stuff exactly like this. Profits and corporate pissing matches over "actually doing something people want to pay money for." Google and Disney both seem to be demonstrating that once people lose trust in you, it's basically impossible to get it back. Nobody trusts a new Google product will last more than a year or two, which leads to it getting killed off for lack of use, and Disney/Pixar seem to have forgotten that the purpose of the entertainment industry is to "entertain the people who might want to see your movie." Other studios are doing fine, so there's clearly a demand, but Disney has been dropping an impressive string of box office bombs lately, because a lot of people no longer trust them.

taylodl 3y ago
I remain optimistic that we're in the starting phases of a rejection of the online [handwaves at everything digital consumer tech], and it's going to be aided greatly by stuff exactly like this. Profits and corporate pissing matches over "actually doing something people want to pay money for." Your optimism is unfounded. Gen Z thinks it's cool to own an album or two, but they're not building collections. Scrap booking is popular right now, but it's not quite the same thing as photo albums. Everything is ephemeral and by and large they're just fine with that.
- Syonyk 3y ago
  They're physical things, interacted in the physical world, without any way for the companies involved to claw back the content, or to data-mine the scrapbook, your albums, etc, for listening data and such (though I imagine a smart TV with a mic will try). That's a good direction to see movement in. They're not doing "online scrapbooks" or something. And given the long standing records of "What you said 15 years ago online is used to ruin you today," ephemeral, or "not online in the first place," makes a lot of sense. I'm certainly glad my entire school experience wasn't logged in great detail...
  - toast0 3y ago
    > They're physical things, interacted in the physical world, without any way for the companies involved to claw back the content Oh, there's ways. In the 90s, there was a rental scheme with sealed discs that would degrade in air to become unusable within a week. (At least that was upfront, if wasteful). I've had one at least CD rot from the inside, and it's a major issue for LaserDiscs. Careful material science could make this the norm.
- deanCommie 3y ago
  Gen Z is young, have no money, have no optimism for the future, are completely un-technical when it comes to computers, but are EXTREMELY technical when it comes to understanding apps, social media, and weird frustrations like this one. It remains to be seen once they enter the job market, and despite the cultural perspective inevitably many do succeed, and start making money. I wouldn't be surprised if they absolutely do focus more on physical media. They are rejecting Instagram look-obsessive culture, and look fondly at what we did in the 2000s when every Party meant a 50-photo Facebook Photo dump, 49 of which would never be "good enough" to make it to Instagram these days.

Semaphor 3y ago

At least so far, Bandcamp has not changed after the sale (neither sale). You can still buy music, and try it out for multiple album streams before buying (unless the artist or label disable it, which is rare), and download as FLAC. Granted, not always useful if what you want is from major labels, but still, keep in mind that there are options.

Syonyk 3y ago
Wasn't there some recent article about how Bandcamp got acquired by a competitor and is more or less being left to rot on the vine? I agree, the FLAC downloads are a major perk of it, and I'll happily buy music there. But I wouldn't trust it to be around long term at this point. It's too consumer-friendly to exist long term in this modern world we live in. :(
- JohnFen 3y ago
  In the long term, everything is temporary. Enjoy the good stuff now while it's here!
  - Syonyk 3y ago
    In the long term, yes. In the human lifespan terms, our digital stuff is a lot more stupidly temporary than it has any good reason to be, and physical media (especially in the realm of music) has rather outlasted it. Records (vinyl) from 60 years ago still play perfectly fine with a cleaning, and CDs are holding up quite well too in general. Because my ability to play a record from the 1960s or 1970s is not dependent on the company that created it still being around, and being willing to license it to the company that delivers it for me to play it, at favorable contract terms, etc, etc, etc.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      All true -- which is what makes Bandcamp such a treasure. Download the flac and you have it forever (or a reasonable approximation of that).

spicyusername 3y ago

It seems that we've entered the rent-seeking phase of corporate capitalism. Why spend any extra time, money, or energy making new products or services when you can instead make more money doing nothing but using your outsized political and economic power to coerce and extort consumers instead. At this point it's impossible to see how any new merger or acquisition isn't just another step in the wrong direction, handing over yet more power to a small few. At what point is a company too large to effectively serve the public interest? How can we turn this process around and redistribute the economic power of these gigantic corporations?

Syonyk 3y ago
> It seems that we've entered the rent-seeking phase of corporate capitalism. Doctorow's word "Enshittification" (which, amazingly, has a rather filled in Wikipedia page now - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification ) captures it quite well.
dirtybirdnj 3y ago
> At what point is a company too large to effectively serve the public interest? I use the term "maxium tribe size" to describe the human capability (or incapability) of extending compassion and understanding to a group. Companies don't fail. People fail within companies. People fail other people and hide behind "limited liability" and the sham that is corporate personhood. Every person has a different MaxT. You may not feel the pain of violating this constraint yourself, but lots of people under you will suffer. You may actually feel GREAT, look at all the respect I have gained! I can make things happen, people listen to me... or now I can just ignore them... You don't care because you are blinded by success. Money and power are the worst poisons this world offers. It turns otherwise intelligent and caring people into awful piles of human effluence. It is IMPOSSIBLE to gain sufficient power to drive a company and not lose your sense of humanity. The idea that you will not violate your maximum tribe size in this exercise is insulting. You will quickly be insulated from the consequences of your actions, and no matter how depraved your behavior there will be a line of people congratulating and cheering you on because they desperately want to be the next person in line to enjoy the ride you are on. The people driving enshittification are not human. They may share our genes but they are not part of our society or species anymore.

JohnFen 3y ago

Music is very important to me. So important that I never dared to trust streaming services. Not only do they require an internet connection (something that is not always available), but if the service experiences downtime, license changes, etc., that music is not available. If I'm going to spend my money on music, I'm going to spend it on music in a form that isn't reliant on the ongoing operation of some service somewhere. I want to add it to my collection so I can actually listen to it anytime and anywhere.

LiquidPolymer 3y ago
I collect portable music players and hi-fi gear. The music gives me great joy, but the hardware also gives me joy. I’m likely an outlier in this realm. I pre-ordered my new Peter Gabriel I/0 album two months ago on CD and enjoyed the anticipation of waiting. I steadfastly avoided his digital pre-releases. I was not disappointed! It a great album and a beautiful sonic experience. I took a couple of my favorite tracks and mixed it into my Peter Gabriel minidisc mix-tape. I have numerous portable players to choose from in my collection to listen on the go including a few beautifully designed personal CD players. I travel internationally frequently and I’ve noticed TSA occasionally doesn’t know what a CD player is. At least the younger agents.
- derwiki 3y ago
  That last line tempts me to fly with an audio cassette player this holiday season
  - xethos 3y ago
    My previous TSA agent was thoroughly thrown by my (blade-removed) shavette while travelling with carry-on only. To the point I called out "Oh! Sorry, I already pulled the blade out." while they were examining it.
    - ryloric 3y ago
      Shaving one's beard is an artform that I enjoy as much as a painter enjoys painting. What's the world coming to when there are people who do not know a shavette?

advael 3y ago

There's like not one but multiple microgenres of music you could likely cobble together just out of working musicians' songs complaining about the music industry. In the modern world, probably the by-the-numbers majority of working artists in every medium can effectively self-publish to some degree or another, so as the intermediaries have grown more and more demanding and both creator- and consumer-hostile, they have also become less of a necessary evil for our ability to engage with the works creative people are putting out into the world. Piracy is the most natural and reasonable way to use current technology to consume media, and the massively successful propaganda campaigns to instill a folk belief that it's somehow wrong or doing harm are incredible, given how much quality of life for both the producers and consumers of the actual content is lost in the name of marginal gains in profitability and massive gains in control by intermediary conglomerates that are increasingly unnecessary. It is only by a combination of this mythology and the ever-tighter industry collusion with an increasingly authoritarian surveillance state to make laws to terrorize people who just want their music that this parasitic shape the industry has taken is surviving To me, the notion that a transferrable market-monopoly ownership of intellectual rights to a creative work was ever about helping creators is the kind of ridiculous farce that people like economists can get away with because we've been trained to believe that fancy experts saying counterintuitive things about "incentives" must know something we don't, but even if you believe intellectual property has value, it is not of value for massive corporations to sit on a chokepoint between human beings and their access to their own cultural touchstones

widowlark 3y ago

Capitalism responds to demand. We have to stop paying for convenience and start demanding better. Save your money from Streaming, purchase used and physical only. Force the market to adapt to you.

advael 3y ago
The more power companies have to regulate their consumers, as well as the information available to them, the less responsive to demand they have to be. We are in a monopolized enough environment across multiple industries that we can't assume the dynamics of supply and demand work anything like an idealized "free market", if such a thing has ever existed
- widowlark 3y ago
  As an addendum to my statement: If the changes in demand do not result in a change in supply, then piracy is justified.
  - pierat 3y ago
    Soulseek STILL WORKS igg-games.com eztv.re 1337x.tw sci-hub.se libgen.rs torrentfreak.com opensubtitles.org nyaa.si So is thepiratebay.org . Search using yandex.com they dont filter torrents like scroogle or bingbong Pirate libraries are this generation's libraries. Brought to you by DaShareZone!
    - azzentys 3y ago
      Thanks, that's valuable
      - pierat 3y ago
        i expanded it for ya :D Sharing is caring!
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chx 3y ago

The beautifully written but not much known Rune Blades Of Celi ebooks no longer can be purchased, as the small publisher is just gone. Of course, the ones I purchased could no longer be downloaded. But want something bigger? Fine. The Wheel Of Time (is that large enough for you?) Complete Edition I bought for over a hundred dollars also can't be donwloaded any more. (And to be more on topic, one of my favorite artists have disappeared from Bandcamp and so did my purchases. And Bandcamp is better in this than others.) You can download all these from torrent trackers. Tell me true, if you can't buy them how on earth it is piracy to download them?

Damogran6 3y ago
I got a free download of one of the more forgetful Terminator movies on....Universal? Can't get that back. RCA Lyra protected music? Gone. Paid $10 to Harvey Danger for 'Little by Little' and hey, I can still get it. That's a surprise.
pavel_lishin 3y ago
> Tell me true, if you can't buy them how on earth it is piracy to download them? People would argue that it's up to the seller whether they want to make their creations available. If I don't want to sell you something, then I'd entertain the argument that downloading it anyway is in some sense immoral or unethical. But in your situation, you've already fucking bought it! It's as if you placed a pick-up order at the bookstore, showed up to pick up your books, and they told you to eat shit. In which case, acquiring it through other means is completely acceptable, morally and ethically.
- BobaFloutist 3y ago
  I agree (or at least see the argument) if it's like the original creator who decided they want to keep their hands on the work (or maybe like if a company wants to withdraw one edition of a book to sell a new edition), but in cases where works are orphaned, or the rights are in limbo, or a huge corporation merges with another huge corporation and permanently deletes creators' works for a tax break, I don't think there's any real argument. If I Johnny writer am like "Ok when I was 15 I thought that many consecutive slurs was funny, but now the alt-right is rallying around what was supposed to be satire, so I want it off the market" that's kind of reasonable. If James Writerson has classics that are kind of out of fashion and got converted to ebooks by Big Publisher™ which was then bought by Bigger Publisher™ who decides it's not worth the money to keep the classics on the market (but also refuses to release them back to the estate of James Writerson or to the general public), that's less reasonable.

oldandboring 3y ago

In a very strange way it's almost a return to the pre-VHS days (for video) and pre-vinyl days (for music). You could enjoy the content streamed to you over the airwaves but that was it.

xerox13ster 3y ago
In the order that they wanted you to hear it.
- maratc 3y ago
  With unskippable ads.
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creer 3y ago
There was very little time like that. Where you couldn't hold in your hands the content that you bought. Radio broadcast becomes popular in 1920-1930. While records playing speed standardizes in the late 1920s. Say Wikipedia.The vinyl single and LP are later but you easily buy records long before vinyl. If anything, I don't know that there were paying streaming formats in early radio. There was probably quite a bit of content that was played live on the radio - and not available as recordings. And it would have been pretty hardcore to make your own recording of the stream.

sertbdfgbnfgsd 3y ago

- Download mp3 - Play on VLC. Not complicated.

mattl 3y ago
Download the MP3 from where? If you want a copy of a well known song, you might find one, but for something else you might struggle to find one. Your best bet is to buy used CDs and rip them yourself.
- Nemrod67 3y ago
  rutracker.org has many things archived
- sertbdfgbnfgsd 3y ago
  > Download the MP3 from where? My guy, this has been solved for about 25 years.
  - mattl 3y ago
    Not everything is ripped and waiting to be downloaded…
    - sertbdfgbnfgsd 3y ago
      If it's not available for download, it's not something I would be interested in :-) I understand that people are different.
pavel_lishin 3y ago
The article clearly explained that this was not possible in their case.
pimlottc 3y ago
It’s not that simple for the poster’s use case, which is “play whatever my kids want to hear while we’re in the car”

whywhywhywhy 3y ago

> as Sony just decided to yoink over a thousand seasons—that's right, seasons, not episodes—of Discovery shows from the PlayStation Store Didn't realize Sony owned Discovery, oh wait they don't. So it's actually Discovery who's licensing caused Sony to be legally obligated to remove the shows. Sucks if you bought it but yeah just like the games in your Steam library you never actually owned it, you merely licensed it.

jefftk 3y ago
Sony shouldn't have sold shows to their customers without first negotiating contracts with the rightsholders ensuring Sony wouldn't have to renege.
- BizarroLand 3y ago
  And really, Netflix screwed the pooch on this one right at the start by not making licensing rights irrevocable. They could have said, "we'll pay $0.XXX per stream" and media companies would have said, "yay, more money for old crap we don't care about any more" and that would have been that. But because they didn't make it irrevocable, companies have been rug pulling customers ever since
pierat 3y ago
> Sucks if you bought it but yeah just like the games in your Steam library you never actually owned it, you merely licensed it. If you're lied to about a "sale" and it's really just a shitty rental, we have a different word for that: FRAUD. And the action that Sony hacked devices and removed said content? It mirrors the individual form of this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38614624 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38614624 ), which is "horribly illegal". I argue it pales in comparison to Sony's actions.
- thfuran 3y ago
  It shouldn't be legal for a transfer of a revocable license to be described as "buying".
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RecycledEle 3y ago

The Chinese system of central libraries is better than copyright. Imagine having every book ever written, for free, all your life. Imagine authors and inventors being compensated twice what they are usually paid in the USA, while the corporate lawyers panhandle. I know the lawyers would end up as party higher-ups still screwing us, but I can dream.

TheFuzzball 3y ago
It's great until you want to read that book about the Tiananmen Square Massacre.
rakoo 3y ago
A central, government-run library only shifts censorship from "not profitable" to "not in line with authority". It's not automatically better, but it's the logical one anyway when there's a ruling State.
BobaFloutist 3y ago
In a system like that, how do you decide which authors get paid what? Is it per check-out with a floor? I'm genuinely curious.

georgeecollins 3y ago

I buy mp3s so I will always have them. People think I am a crank- maybe so. The difference with media today is that the control often stays in the hands of another party, often not the rights holder. I can accept that knowing that everything I buy I am just renting. The thing that scares me is how a third party can make something effectively impossible to discover. In this generation that's done for profit. But you can imagine where that will lead when what everyone sees is curated in a way they aren't aware of.

at_a_remove 3y ago

I'm considering some kind of combination of autoloader feeding either Exact Audio Copy (which isn't set up for them) or dbpoweramp (which apparently is set up for them) to get metadata, then I guess I will have to pirate or rebuy discs when the AccurateRip indicates that there's some damage to the disc. I've avoided iTunes and its descendants due to all of the horror stories about destroyed music libraries and music "helpfully" replaced in error. Similarly, I haven't signed up for any streaming music since I have an el-cheapo plan and these services sound like they tell you what to listen to. I think having somewhat weird tastes in music and being particular about it has some overlap with having to seek technical solutions which are also not-mainsteam. I am reminded of Pictures for Sad Children, wherein a character's musical preference is "Whatever is on the radio, played a reasonable volume." and realize I am at the other end of that spectrum.

miah_ 3y ago
There are some highly opinionated open source tools that do this, like whipper. Getting it all working is.. a bit frustrating. I do wish that whipper had more knobs to tweak rather than being very opinionated in how it rips and what it outputs. For fixing up metadata of your existing collection there is Picard. https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper https://picard.musicbrainz.org/ https://picard.musicbrainz.org/
paradox460 3y ago
I've long thought about getting an old Bravo CD burning robot, and making it run "backwards". Always been a "I oughtta" project
iggldiggl 3y ago
> I've avoided iTunes and its descendants due to all of the horror stories about destroyed music libraries and music "helpfully" replaced in error. At least on Windows (where iTunes currently still survives in its original form) and with no Apple Music or iTunes Match or whatever subscription to muddle things up, and with the option to let it manage the folder structure of my music library turned off I can't complain about it, though. It does what it's supposed to do and doesn't cause any problems. Although I mostly keep using it for historical reasons, because I used to have an iPod, and when that got replaced by an Android phone, at that time the best solution for syncing music to it was to keep using iTunes together with some third party app which was able to not just sync the music, but also play counts and ratings, too.

jrm4 3y ago

I'm curious as to when exactly these takes are generally going to move from "Please let me have the thing I want and reasonably should have" to an open "Eff it, the tech is here, I'm just taking copies now and you should too." (not that I ought to support that sort of thing, since I am a lawyer and we have promulgated standards of professional behavior I shall tell all of you that that second thing is bad, very bad.)

pkdpic 3y ago

Glad to see this pop up, its been a weirdly big struggle for me as a new-ish parent. For a while my ancient CD collection and healthy ecosystem of local used vinyl / CD stores had us in a nice routine in conjunction with youtube-dl and my posse of old Sony voice memo usb mp3 players. Then youtube-dl wasn't a thing anymore (maybe it is again?)... Then we had to get a new car (a Tacoma)... No CD player, no aux cable. I had really bad early experiences with apple music and Spotify not having stuff I wanted. Unclear artist support reputations also (Im no expert there). But it all had heavy Enshittification vibes early on IMHO. Anyway somehow in my exhausted dad mental state I've concluded that buying albums on iTunes like a maniac is at least worth a try before augmenting my car to have an aux cable and / or peripheral CD player. I held off buying albums on iTunes literally until 2 months ago. Very strange but maybe working. Anyway curious what other folks are doing as far as listening to music. This article was spot on but I needed a Solutions section...

gkbrk 3y ago
youtube-dl is still a thing, last commit was one week ago. https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/commits/master https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/commits/master
all2 3y ago
Youtube-dl still functions quite well. You can even grab the CLI here: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl And occasionally you can find one of their TLDs just by doing a search on DDG or Brave.
teddyh 3y ago
> Then youtube-dl wasn't a thing anymore (maybe it is again?)... yt-dlp is definitely a thing: <https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp>
BobaFloutist 3y ago
How expensive is it to swap out the media player in your car for something with an aux port? Alternatively, does it not have a USB port?
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DavideNL 3y ago

Anyone else here also still using LogitechMediaServer (and iPeng) to stream their own music? Such an old system (written in Perl), but still runs great! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logitech_Media_Server https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logitech_Media_Server https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver https://hub.docker.com/r/lmscommunity/logitechmediaserver https://hub.docker.com/r/lmscommunity/logitechmediaserver

venachescu 3y ago
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
AtiRadeon9700 3y ago
I threw that old thing (logitech squeezebox) in the recycling. With how warm it was in standby I bet it cost more money in power bills than itself don'tcha know.
jjav 3y ago
> Such an old system (written in Perl), but still runs great! This is the kind of hardware I love. Stable over time, no dependencies. I moved all my music to squeezebox system in 2004 and everything works wonderfully today.
predakanga 3y ago
I was amazed to discover, a few months ago, that iPeng is still under active development! I went to set the alarm on my Squeezebox Boom one night and the time picker widget was completely broken. By the next week they'd pushed out an update to fix it. That kind of dedication in a developer is fantastic to see.
CobaltFire 3y ago
Logitech Media Server is very common in the Home Assistant world. I'm in the process of setting a server up now actually, and I've never used it before.

donatj 3y ago

I still use whatever they call the service where my ripped CDs get uploaded to my Apple Music library. I have quite a few albums physically that their library lacks and it's been nice to be able to listen to them in my car. Over the last 3 to 4 years though more and more of my music living in the cloud has gotten corrupted, to the point that something like 1 in 10 songs is unlistenable. The source material in my main library still plays fine, nothing wrong with it, but play it on any other device it pops and skips. Doing some googling, I don't seem to be alone in this. It's honestly infuriating and has me potentially searching for some other service.

high_5 3y ago

The true anarchism to the enshittification of the music services would be to just sing or whistle the songs.

082349872349872 3y ago
I've heard rumours there are even analogue "musical instruments" which can be used (especially during Carnaval) to cover music...

gambiting 3y ago

The thing that really worries me and which no one seems to be talking about is the region locking of localisation for streaming content. For context - we're a Polish family living in the UK(like 2 million other Polish people). We have a small child who loves Disney films, and because he is normally exposed to English(and speaks it fluently) I'd like him to at least watch cartoons in Polish. But Disney region locks most(not all, but majority) of Polish localisation to Poland only. When we visit Poland I can watch all Disney content in Polish on my UK account without any issue - but when we're in the UK these localisation options disappear. So Disney clearly has those options but chooses not to offer them. So right now, at least we can still buy DVDs or have those shipped over. But it's clear that Disney wants to stop distribution of physical media - as they've already done in some regions. What then for multilingual families? Just "suck it up" and don't have access to content in my language, because I don't happen to currently live in Poland?

orloffm 3y ago
I don't pay for Disney+ in Poland because they don't have Russian. Even though it's a native language of 1M+ immigrants and 99% of their content is translated. They probably just don't want my money, I have no other explanation.
- gambiting 3y ago
  Well so from what I understand at least part of it due to Disney selling off the rights to various translations to local companies(so for instance the translation to Lion King in Polish is owned by a local media company, not Disney, even though they obviously own the rights to the film), so they don't necessarily have automatic rights to distribute that translation worldwide without permission. But on the other hand......it's Disney. They should be able to consolidate, buy those rights back, and distribute all localizations they have globally.
keiferski 3y ago
For your situation specifically check out this site. I think there are some cartoons: https://35mm.online/ https://35mm.online/

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thomastjeffery 3y ago

> Enshittification has reached new heights, as Sony just decided to yoink over a thousand seasons—that's right, seasons, not episodes—of Discovery shows from the PlayStation Store. > But they're not just removing them from the store. > They're removing them from people's libraries. That's called fraud. Why in the world are we not prosecuting it?

beej71 3y ago

The other day I was listening to recorded live music on Internet Archive. One of the bands sounded like a lot of fun, so I looked them up online. And what do you know, they're touring and coming to my relatively small town in January. Bought two tickets for 70 bucks from the local venue so we could enjoy some live music. Maybe buy some T-shirts or CDs. So well done, giving your live music away for free. Made you some money, and made me feel like we were doing it right for a change.

lemper 3y ago

i've posted this reply, but i will copy paste it again here: you know, my default stance is pirating is the way. i don't give a shit who "owns" the media. if it's in my harddisk, it should not go away unless I delete it or the system (fs / hw / what have you) is kill. good thing I don't enjoy entertainment like movies or music. but in the small chance I like it, I'd go to the store, get the disk, rip it or just torrent it. but bro! that's immoral and you will suffer in hell! nah bro, we're already in hell. bro! them popos will catch your ass and put you in jail! nah bro, if they don't know, it's not illegal.