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I read "Out of body experiences" by Robert A. Monroe a long time ago, a time of gullibility and innocence. If I remember correctly he used a technique to induce

I read "Out of body experiences" by Robert A. Monroe a long time ago, a time of gullibility and innocence. If I remember correctly he used a technique to induce that effect and I made it mine. Sometimes it worked, here is the recipe: lay on your bed with eyes closed, try to avoid any disturbances. Concentrate you attention to your inner ears and you'll hear a high frequency hiss (similar to tinnitus). Don't sleep and keep focused! After some time (I think as you are falling asleep) the volume hits a dramatic crescendo and, in my case, culminates in a devastating powerful dry explosion without a discernible source. It lasts a moment but can be really scary. If you can keep calm without awakening, you'll be on the "other side". There is no transition. In my case, the "other side" is just me, in my bed as if I'm awake. I tried some experiments, but I felt too weak to do anything really interesting. I moved a couple of pillows, for instance, and when I woke up they were in the original position, untouched. A really bizarre experience, I stopped trying when I finally got close to full-replication-mode on three consecutive nights. I felt very weird as if I was starting to mess with the boundary between dream and reality. If you know more about this phenomenon let's keep in touch!

pyinstallwoes 3y ago
I have read something similar, like there is a vibrating sensation and the loud sound is breaking a boundary condition. How can we stay in touch?
tripdout 3y ago
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Aerbil313 3y ago
I‘m a lucid dreamer. You are describing the WILD (Wake-Induced Lucid Dreaming) technique. It’s basically entering sleep without losing consciousness by staying focused on some thing (usually your breath but anything works). It’s not an out of body experience. You were dreaming. Hearing sounds (exploding head syndrome or other sounds), the feeling of spinning, seeing shapes etc. are symptoms of the hypnagogia (transition from wakefulness to sleep) stage. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia LD is a learnable skill. I can recommend resources if anyone wants.
- jamie1np 3y ago
  You would be doing the universe a service by recommending resources. I think everyone should at least be given the option to check out lucid dreaming.
- blueridge 3y ago
  Please share! This is something I've always wanted to explore.
  - naasking 3y ago
    Set periodic alarms on your watch or phone, 3-5 per day, same times every day. Every time it goes off, take a few minutes to look around you and try prove to yourself you're not dreaming. Note the stability and regularity of the world around you, and that where you are and what you're doing makes sense (hopefully). The point is to establish a habit such that you end up repeating this habit even when you're dreaming. Often you won't realize you're dreaming when you do this while sleeping, but sometimes you will. This lucidity sometimes doesn't last long, but duration will get longer and frequency increases with practice.
    - Aerbil313 3y ago
      This is a DILD (Dream Induced Lucid Dreaming) technique, reality checking. These techniques are generally not as reliable as WILD, you can’t control the timing of your LDs and they tend to create pseudo-lucid dreams[1]. If you have a consistent sleep cycle (REM and non-REM), I recommend WILD techniques. If you are young it’s even easier, as sleep phases tend to get messed up as you get older. 1: These are just regular dreams in which you dream about that you are lucid dreaming. Your awake consciousness is not actually present, your memory is as suspended as it is in regular dreams, you don’t notice flaws in the dream reality and it feels distinctly like regular dreams (like a “bystander”) as opposed to the self awareness feeling in lucid dreams. See https://youtu.be/fqWikLRVby8?si=J0E2BpxO4ff4mam4 https://youtu.be/fqWikLRVby8?si=J0E2BpxO4ff4mam4
- torotonnato 3y ago
  Thanks! Resources are much appreciated
akomtu 3y ago
There is a lot of amateur literature on this topic, written by Monroe and others, even though Monroe in particular made an honest attempt to tell what he knew. To my knowledge, some dzogchen and especially bon authors talk about this, although very reluctantly. Among the western authors, the most direct work on this matter is Leadbeater's "astral plane", but if you're looking for instructions on how to obtain such clarity of perception, you won't find anything, except the usual "learn to control your mind and everything will follow". I think the reason is partly to fend off lazy curiosity, but mainly because many who already have all that's necessary don't need any secret instructions, and those who are not there yet can't use a safe method. It's quite possible that in the near future this will provoke a social strife between those who can and those who can't. I'll make a guess that the loud sound is just switching audio source. Sometimes the new source is some internal process, like breathing, but unfiltered. I personally heard my own breathing in this transient state that was amplified to the loudness of the Niagara falls, and "colored" with the same waterfall sound texture. Even though at the mental level I recognized the pattern of my breathing, it was hard not to yield to fear, so overwhelming the sound was.
- spacebacon 3y ago
  I think you have pointed out something very important here concerning social strife. Even outside of this topic there is already a huge gap in understanding between those who perceive and those who judge.
tacone 3y ago
Interesting! I'll try to keep this as short as I can since I am writing on the phone, but I came up with another technique which I used with success a few times, and it's similar to yours in a way. I should point out I think out of body experiences are controlled dreams and what I achieved was a regular lucid dream, didn't even had the illusion of me lying on the bed, I just were somewhere else. The technique is this, also great for relaxing, since it does not focus on trying to relax Instead of focusing on your ears, focus on your eyes. Close your eyes but keep staring through your closed eye lids. When you do, you usually see some optical illusion moving , I guess that happens to everyone. Keep staring and try to make those things into some image (a glass, a table, a mountain, etc). If you may briefly have a real vision of that. Depending on how much you have gotten good with it, it may last a fraction of second or you may start a mostly controlled dream. Works best when you're tired or just woken up (depends on how you wake up though).
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pyinstallwoes 3y ago

I have read something similar, like there is a vibrating sensation and the loud sound is breaking a boundary condition. How can we stay in touch?

tripdout 3y ago

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Aerbil313 3y ago

I‘m a lucid dreamer. You are describing the WILD (Wake-Induced Lucid Dreaming) technique. It’s basically entering sleep without losing consciousness by staying focused on some thing (usually your breath but anything works). It’s not an out of body experience. You were dreaming. Hearing sounds (exploding head syndrome or other sounds), the feeling of spinning, seeing shapes etc. are symptoms of the hypnagogia (transition from wakefulness to sleep) stage. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia LD is a learnable skill. I can recommend resources if anyone wants.

jamie1np 3y ago
You would be doing the universe a service by recommending resources. I think everyone should at least be given the option to check out lucid dreaming.
blueridge 3y ago
Please share! This is something I've always wanted to explore.
- naasking 3y ago
  Set periodic alarms on your watch or phone, 3-5 per day, same times every day. Every time it goes off, take a few minutes to look around you and try prove to yourself you're not dreaming. Note the stability and regularity of the world around you, and that where you are and what you're doing makes sense (hopefully). The point is to establish a habit such that you end up repeating this habit even when you're dreaming. Often you won't realize you're dreaming when you do this while sleeping, but sometimes you will. This lucidity sometimes doesn't last long, but duration will get longer and frequency increases with practice.
  - Aerbil313 3y ago
    This is a DILD (Dream Induced Lucid Dreaming) technique, reality checking. These techniques are generally not as reliable as WILD, you can’t control the timing of your LDs and they tend to create pseudo-lucid dreams[1]. If you have a consistent sleep cycle (REM and non-REM), I recommend WILD techniques. If you are young it’s even easier, as sleep phases tend to get messed up as you get older. 1: These are just regular dreams in which you dream about that you are lucid dreaming. Your awake consciousness is not actually present, your memory is as suspended as it is in regular dreams, you don’t notice flaws in the dream reality and it feels distinctly like regular dreams (like a “bystander”) as opposed to the self awareness feeling in lucid dreams. See https://youtu.be/fqWikLRVby8?si=J0E2BpxO4ff4mam4 https://youtu.be/fqWikLRVby8?si=J0E2BpxO4ff4mam4
torotonnato 3y ago
Thanks! Resources are much appreciated

akomtu 3y ago

There is a lot of amateur literature on this topic, written by Monroe and others, even though Monroe in particular made an honest attempt to tell what he knew. To my knowledge, some dzogchen and especially bon authors talk about this, although very reluctantly. Among the western authors, the most direct work on this matter is Leadbeater's "astral plane", but if you're looking for instructions on how to obtain such clarity of perception, you won't find anything, except the usual "learn to control your mind and everything will follow". I think the reason is partly to fend off lazy curiosity, but mainly because many who already have all that's necessary don't need any secret instructions, and those who are not there yet can't use a safe method. It's quite possible that in the near future this will provoke a social strife between those who can and those who can't. I'll make a guess that the loud sound is just switching audio source. Sometimes the new source is some internal process, like breathing, but unfiltered. I personally heard my own breathing in this transient state that was amplified to the loudness of the Niagara falls, and "colored" with the same waterfall sound texture. Even though at the mental level I recognized the pattern of my breathing, it was hard not to yield to fear, so overwhelming the sound was.

spacebacon 3y ago
I think you have pointed out something very important here concerning social strife. Even outside of this topic there is already a huge gap in understanding between those who perceive and those who judge.

tacone 3y ago

Interesting! I'll try to keep this as short as I can since I am writing on the phone, but I came up with another technique which I used with success a few times, and it's similar to yours in a way. I should point out I think out of body experiences are controlled dreams and what I achieved was a regular lucid dream, didn't even had the illusion of me lying on the bed, I just were somewhere else. The technique is this, also great for relaxing, since it does not focus on trying to relax Instead of focusing on your ears, focus on your eyes. Close your eyes but keep staring through your closed eye lids. When you do, you usually see some optical illusion moving , I guess that happens to everyone. Keep staring and try to make those things into some image (a glass, a table, a mountain, etc). If you may briefly have a real vision of that. Depending on how much you have gotten good with it, it may last a fraction of second or you may start a mostly controlled dream. Works best when you're tired or just woken up (depends on how you wake up though).

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