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It's not "unbundling" they literally just added new costs for features that were originally free because they can get away with it. So far, I have also found yo

It's not "unbundling" they literally just added new costs for features that were originally free because they can get away with it. So far, I have also found you are now REQUIRED to pay for your seats if you want to sit together. Frontier splits me and my wife even when there's seats available

mateo411 3y ago
I fly Southwest too. I like the flexibility that they provide. If you don't feel like flying today, that's fine with them. No change fees. However, sometimes they don't feel like flying either, and you also need to extend them the same courtesy.
yuliyp 3y ago
It's interesting you used Frontier as an example. Frontier's whole business model is "unbundle everything the law allows." This means dirt-cheap fares that alone can't cover their costs of running the flights. They need the fees to make the whole thing work.
- boring_twenties 3y ago
  The last Frontier flight I took had the following cost breakdown: Airfare: $0.01 Taxes and fees: $18.97 Total: $18.98
listenallyall 3y ago
4 fare types, Early Bird, A-List? Not displaying prices with aggregators? Surprisingly-expensive fares quite often? I appreciate Southwest's philosophy but it isn't immune from trying to squeeze more revenue out of each trip - they just do it differently.
gus_massa 3y ago
I understand people been angry for a fee for choosing the seats. But a fee for lugage is very natural. Handling lugage has a clear cost. It looks natural to unbound it.
- jononomo 3y ago
  Who the hell flies without luggage? Do you literally carry only your wallet when you take a flight?
  - gus_massa 3y ago
    At least here, all include a small backpack/bag that you can put under your seat. A notebook and enough cloth for a few days.
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Tommstein 3y ago
Hear hear. It would've been one thing if, when they invented Basic Economy, it was "you can get cheaper flights now but you lose all these things you're used to." Instead, as I recall, it was "welcome to Basic Economy, where you still pay the same amount you used to, but we've taken away a bunch of stuff you now have to pay extra fees for."
xur17 3y ago
I fly on Frontier all the time, and while I do hate all of their upselling during the checkout process, my flight does end up being significantly cheaper than any other option. In this case, I searched for a flight to Atlanta - Frontier was $49, Delta was $250. After going through the checkout process, I paid exactly $49 for my Frontier flight. I need to add a checked bag, which it looks like they charge $50 for, but $99 is still << $250. When I lived out of state, I'd go up to visit family for the weekend with just a laptop and 2 changes of clothing. The dirt cheap budget flight options were amazing.

mateo411 3y ago

I fly Southwest too. I like the flexibility that they provide. If you don't feel like flying today, that's fine with them. No change fees. However, sometimes they don't feel like flying either, and you also need to extend them the same courtesy.

yuliyp 3y ago

It's interesting you used Frontier as an example. Frontier's whole business model is "unbundle everything the law allows." This means dirt-cheap fares that alone can't cover their costs of running the flights. They need the fees to make the whole thing work.

boring_twenties 3y ago
The last Frontier flight I took had the following cost breakdown: Airfare: $0.01 Taxes and fees: $18.97 Total: $18.98

listenallyall 3y ago

4 fare types, Early Bird, A-List? Not displaying prices with aggregators? Surprisingly-expensive fares quite often? I appreciate Southwest's philosophy but it isn't immune from trying to squeeze more revenue out of each trip - they just do it differently.

gus_massa 3y ago

I understand people been angry for a fee for choosing the seats. But a fee for lugage is very natural. Handling lugage has a clear cost. It looks natural to unbound it.

jononomo 3y ago
Who the hell flies without luggage? Do you literally carry only your wallet when you take a flight?
- gus_massa 3y ago
  At least here, all include a small backpack/bag that you can put under your seat. A notebook and enough cloth for a few days.

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Tommstein 3y ago

Hear hear. It would've been one thing if, when they invented Basic Economy, it was "you can get cheaper flights now but you lose all these things you're used to." Instead, as I recall, it was "welcome to Basic Economy, where you still pay the same amount you used to, but we've taken away a bunch of stuff you now have to pay extra fees for."

xur17 3y ago

I fly on Frontier all the time, and while I do hate all of their upselling during the checkout process, my flight does end up being significantly cheaper than any other option. In this case, I searched for a flight to Atlanta - Frontier was $49, Delta was $250. After going through the checkout process, I paid exactly $49 for my Frontier flight. I need to add a checked bag, which it looks like they charge $50 for, but $99 is still << $250. When I lived out of state, I'd go up to visit family for the weekend with just a laptop and 2 changes of clothing. The dirt cheap budget flight options were amazing.