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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
by isykt 3y ago
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoRemind me which freedom fighters target civilians?
- FrankoDelMar 3y ago"If crime fighters fight crime, and fire fighters fight fire, then what do freedom fighters fight?" - George Carlin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wXgQWlLT1c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wXgQWlLT1c
- mhalberstram 3y agoNelson Mandela? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_National_Congress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_National_Congress French Resistance? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance And since when does Israel avoids civilians? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_Israeli_attacks_on_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_Israeli_attacks_...
- hersko 3y ago> And since when does Israel avoids civilians? Always? They have been very clear about trying to avoid civilian casualties. Saying they are not always successful doesn't prove anything when you are fighting an entrenched enemy that is using human shields.
- LindeBuzoGray 3y agoAround the guard towers and military outposts surrounding Gaza, Israel had villages and concert venues - Israel's human shields.
- hersko 3y agoRofl are you serious? Human shield is something like launching rockets from a playground, the roof of an apartment building, a mosque etc. Having a village a mile *behind* the border wall is not a human shield.
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- HDThoreaun 3y agoThey just have their state sanctioned and militarily protected settlers do it for them. Totally not government sanctioned.
- invalidname 3y agoI totally forgot the time Nelson Mandela burned children alive, kidnapped kids and the elderly and just brutally murdered unarmed civilians... Far be it from me to defend everything that Israel does. But even during the current bombings Israel tracks cellphone signals to try and bomb areas with minimal civilian presence. There's a huge difference between collateral damage and explicitly targeting civilians. Israel tried to let more Gazans into its borders to work and reduce the burden on the people living there (not enough but it was improving) the Hamas chose murder with complete disregard to the lives of the Palestinian people in Gaza. They are WAY worse than anything the French resistance did, and they were fighting damn nazis.
- vkou 3y agoThe ones that won the war for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba, and drove 80% of the indigenous population out of their homes at gunpoint. (At least, they are currently hailed as freedom fighters by one side in that conflict. The Palestinians condemn them, but nobody cares what they think.)
- invalidname 3y agoThere are a lot of claims there. Some fair some not. Neither ones relate to the current conflict. The claims of "drove 80% of the indigenous population out of their homes at gunpoint." is repeated often but is also missing a lot of context: * Israelis didn't start that war * Israelis were surrounded and attacked on all sides. They won. * Many Arabs stayed and were invited to stay. They enjoy equal votes, supreme court positions and freedom of religion. * Jews living in Arab countries were chased out and lost all their property too. Furthermore, the occupied territories is the area we're talking about. That area belonged to Jordan/Egypt respectively. None of them wanted them back during peace talks. These people didn't have freedom before Israel came in. Israel TRIED to make a peace treaty. The *HAMAS* destroyed that treaty by blowing people up. Its stated goal is the destruction of Israel. It is NOT about freedom in any way. It's about murder. Plain and simple... The only way Palestinians will ever be free from Israel is if the Hamas is destroyed.
- vkou 3y ago> * Israelis didn't start that war Just so I understand you correctly, are you saying that it's okay for freedom fighters to displace a civilian population at gunpoint, as long as it's the other side who started the conflict?
- invalidname 3y agoNot what I said. That was one point only. There are stories of the Jews in Haifa who begged their Arab neighbors to stay. They did. OTOH there are plenty of stories of slaughter of Jews during that war. It was a terrible war. There was no law since there was no country. No organized army with discipline and rules. I'm sorry these things happened. That first war had war crimes on both sides. Lots of them. The Israeli side won. If it had lost I'm sure the Jews would be in a far worse situation than the Arabs are in the state of Israel.
- readthenotes1 3y agoNot to mention whoever it was that burned down Dresden and Tokyo
- LindeBuzoGray 3y agoI am watching Israel carpet bomb Gaza right now, I see Israel targeting civilians.
- petsfed 3y agoMenachem Begin, for one.
- alangibson 3y agoEver heard of Sherman's March?
- HDThoreaun 3y agoI really don't get this argument. Israel has easily 100x more military power than palestinians. If you come to the conclusion that the only path to freedom is violence and you're up against someone 100x more powerful than you who has imprisoned you terrorism is pretty much your only option. Anything else will just lead to your immediate annihilation. It's easy to say "follow the rules of war" when they assure your victory. Now I don't believe Hamas is actually fighting for freedom, but if they were and israel was unwilling to negotiate it's easy to see how they decide to massacre civilians.
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- invalidname 3y agoThis is totally incorrect for the case of the Hamas and is overused as a statement. It gives a terrible name to actual freedom fighters. The Hamas isn't an organization with freedom as its goal. It's goal is strictly holy war (Jihad) and it considers the Palestinian children it kills along the way as martyrs. It has been a cancer on the people living in Gaza and has physically stopped the peace treaty (Oslo accord) from proceeding.
- LindeBuzoGray 3y agoIsrael had a role in creating and incubating Hamas directly, as senior Israelis have admitted. Haaretz recently printed how Netanyahu also was encouraging Hamas as he wanted war and west Bank settlement, not to make deals with Fatah.
- invalidname 3y ago100%. I would argue that's probably its biggest crime. Specifically why Benjamin Netanyahu is pure evil.
- dopamean 3y agoHonest question because I'm not super educated on this matter... I keep hearing all this awful stuff about Hamas: they use human shields, they're launching rockets from hospitals and churches, they dont care about the lives of Palestinian people. The only people I ever hear making these claims are Israelis and pro-Israeli westerners. I haven't heard any of these claims from Palestinian people. If it was true that they're being used as human shields by these awful thugs that are ruining their lives wouldn't there be more of an outcry against them by Palestinians? Maybe that's happening and I'm just not seeing it?
- invalidname 3y agoPlenty of Palestinians and Arabs talk about that but they get very little press. Probably most famous is Mosab: https://www.amazon.com/Son-Hamas-Gripping-Political-Unthinkable/dp/1414333080 https://www.amazon.com/Son-Hamas-Gripping-Political-Unthinka...
- robertoandred 3y agoThose “freedom fighters” are still holding 200 Israelis hostage.
- LindeBuzoGray 3y agoHow many thousands of Palestinian prisoners has Israel been holding for years?
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- robertoandred 3y agoYou don’t see a difference between a military fighter being held in his enemy’s prison and a civilian being held hostage in a tunnel?
- LindeBuzoGray 3y agoMost of the Gazan prisoners are soldiers, policemen, army reservists. The ones scooped up by accident are being released - two on Friday and two before. Hamas has asked for a brief 24 hour ceasefire to release prisoners but Israel has refused, prolonging the imprisonment. Ahmad Sa'adat is a "military fighter"? At the age of 70? He has been in Israeli prison for years.
- robertoandred 3y agoYou don’t think older men can lead military organizations?