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Food poisoning is real, Rotten Cheese and Panner could cause severe food poisoning, Until unless you and me are experts in determining whether aged cheese is st

by acd10j 3y ago

Food poisoning is real, Rotten Cheese and Panner could cause severe food poisoning, Until unless you and me are experts in determining whether aged cheese is still edible, a single ER visit due to food poisoning can eat up all money saved in eating aged cheese.

OJFord 3y ago
What a divide we have in the world, that nice aged cheese can't come from a grocery store, and you might not eat it anyway in case your hospital bill is too high.
Broken_Hippo 3y ago
Every time I see such a comment, I'm happy I'm no longer covered under the American health care system. It isn't like I'm going to start playing Food Poisoning Roulette any time soon. But if I happen upon some bad food, there is a limit to the expenses occurred.
- mypastself 3y ago
  This does not necessarily apply to you, but that system could also encourage making reckless dietary choices with the knowledge others would pay the potential bill.
  - watwut 3y ago
    Except that somehow Americans are not more healthy nor have less of food poisonings. All that price tag achieves that they afraid of a lot of things that are actually safe.
  - danparsonson 3y ago
    You think people might carelessly choose to eat spoiled food because they won't have to foot the medical bill? Have you ever had food poisoning before?? It's not a pleasant experience....
    - mypastself 3y ago
      People tend to perform risk-benefit analyses of their actions, even if unconsciously. They also engage in all sorts of risky behavior. If they determine the benefit of eating something outweighs the risks, they might do it. Reducing the financial part of the equation reduces potential risk. It’s as simple as that.
      - danparsonson 3y ago
        I think that's quite a naive and simplistic view of human nature but let's assume it's all true - what's the benefit of food poisoning? Because one either thinks the food is safe to eat or not; why would someone knowingly poison themselves (assuming they expected to survive)? Do you see what I'm saying? Removing the financial risk still leaves the huge health risk - food poisoning can be deadly, and even if not, enormously unpleasant.
        mypastself 3y ago
        I’ve actually had food of questionable provenance myself, including oysters bought from a sketchy street vendor in an Asian country - and I’m not even a particularly risk-taking type. I accepted some degree of health hazard for a pleasant meal. Let’s say someone managed to convinced me I was also at risk of losing a great deal of money in the process. I might have declined the vendor’s offer then…
        danparsonson 3y ago
        OK well that's a fair point; in any case I don't find it a compelling counterargument to socialised healthcare. Having lived in two different countries with such a system, to my knowledge hospitals do not fill up with people recklessly endangering themselves just because they don't have to pay for treatment. Far more common are accidents, and we all have those from time to time - a paid system such as that in the US punishes people for being poor and/or unlucky.
      - veidr 3y ago
  - Broken_Hippo 3y ago
    Which you do with any health care system. Your health care premiums aren't really based off of your health alone, but of everyone that health care company covers - plus the costs of hospitals and so on. Those costs, too, include folks that didn't make the best choices. And overall, I'm OK with this. I'd rather help folks when they need it even if they didn't make perfect choices than leave folks suffering - and make sure their kids aren't growing up watching their parent physically suffer because the parent messed up when they was younger.
katbyte 3y ago
Many places in the world er visits don’t cost anything.
- speedbird 3y ago
  Would have to be some pretty hard core food poisoning to need hospital.
  - hnbad 3y ago
    Botulism shouldn't be underestimated however you're more likely to get severe food poisoning from re-heated rice than dodgy cheese. That said, many cheeses that keep well just end up tasting like amonia if you allow them to ripen too long. As a cat owner, that's just a no-go for me.
    - pbhjpbhj 3y ago
      Do you have a scientific source for 'get severe food-poisoning from reheated rice'? This was a meme in the past causing a lot of rice you be disposed of; is that disposal justified?
      - astura 3y ago
        The concern with rice is the bacteria spores that lives in rice (and pasta) survive the cooking process and multiply rapidly in prepared rice at room temperature. So you just have to store the rice in the refrigerator immediately (which most people do). https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/food-and-diet/can-reheating-rice-cause-food-poisoning https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/food-and-diet/can... Every few years you get a story like "man dies after eating rice stored on the counter for two weeks." But most people aren't doing that. But some people, I guess, don't understand that cooked rice is a food that requires refrigeration.
        pbhjpbhj 3y ago
        Thanks for expanding on the issue. Now I need to find out why these spores don't die from being boiled!?
refactor_master 3y ago
Chances are though, that you’re significantly more likely to be poisoned by fresh lettuce than old cheese.
kergonath 3y ago
I have eaten quite a lot of things on 5 continents. I got food poisoning from a lot of things as well. Plus common stomach bugs every so often. What I have never seen ever is someone getting food poisoning from a piece of cheese. And some of them are nasty even without considering what they can pick up in a fridge. Hard cheeses are fine if you just scrap one or two millimetres in the worst cases. Soft cheeses are supposed to have a thriving mould population from the beginning, which prevents a lot of nasty things to develop. The riskiest are cheeses you are supposed to eat very young like cottage cheese. These can be aged with the right culture, but it’s unlikely to happen by chance and they get foul very quickly otherwise. You should be more upset that a simple ER visit could cost you any money at all, to be honest.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
  The thing about cottage cheeses and the like is our evolution is REALLY good at detecting when dairy is bad (as also alluded to in the article). So while bad cottage cheese is probably dangerous, your inbuilt system is immediately going to detect it as rancid and be repulsed to eating it.
  - matt-attack 3y ago
    Yes but what about sour cream?? It’s already sour!
sBqQu3U0wH 3y ago
>a single ER visit due to food poisoning can eat up all money saved in eating aged cheese. I am so glad I don't live in US.

by acd10j 3y ago

OJFord 3y ago

What a divide we have in the world, that nice aged cheese can't come from a grocery store, and you might not eat it anyway in case your hospital bill is too high.

Broken_Hippo 3y ago

Every time I see such a comment, I'm happy I'm no longer covered under the American health care system. It isn't like I'm going to start playing Food Poisoning Roulette any time soon. But if I happen upon some bad food, there is a limit to the expenses occurred.

mypastself 3y ago
This does not necessarily apply to you, but that system could also encourage making reckless dietary choices with the knowledge others would pay the potential bill.
- watwut 3y ago
  Except that somehow Americans are not more healthy nor have less of food poisonings. All that price tag achieves that they afraid of a lot of things that are actually safe.
- danparsonson 3y ago
  You think people might carelessly choose to eat spoiled food because they won't have to foot the medical bill? Have you ever had food poisoning before?? It's not a pleasant experience....
  - mypastself 3y ago
    People tend to perform risk-benefit analyses of their actions, even if unconsciously. They also engage in all sorts of risky behavior. If they determine the benefit of eating something outweighs the risks, they might do it. Reducing the financial part of the equation reduces potential risk. It’s as simple as that.
    - danparsonson 3y ago
      I think that's quite a naive and simplistic view of human nature but let's assume it's all true - what's the benefit of food poisoning? Because one either thinks the food is safe to eat or not; why would someone knowingly poison themselves (assuming they expected to survive)? Do you see what I'm saying? Removing the financial risk still leaves the huge health risk - food poisoning can be deadly, and even if not, enormously unpleasant.
      - mypastself 3y ago
        I’ve actually had food of questionable provenance myself, including oysters bought from a sketchy street vendor in an Asian country - and I’m not even a particularly risk-taking type. I accepted some degree of health hazard for a pleasant meal. Let’s say someone managed to convinced me I was also at risk of losing a great deal of money in the process. I might have declined the vendor’s offer then…
        danparsonson 3y ago
        OK well that's a fair point; in any case I don't find it a compelling counterargument to socialised healthcare. Having lived in two different countries with such a system, to my knowledge hospitals do not fill up with people recklessly endangering themselves just because they don't have to pay for treatment. Far more common are accidents, and we all have those from time to time - a paid system such as that in the US punishes people for being poor and/or unlucky.
    - veidr 3y ago
- Broken_Hippo 3y ago
  Which you do with any health care system. Your health care premiums aren't really based off of your health alone, but of everyone that health care company covers - plus the costs of hospitals and so on. Those costs, too, include folks that didn't make the best choices. And overall, I'm OK with this. I'd rather help folks when they need it even if they didn't make perfect choices than leave folks suffering - and make sure their kids aren't growing up watching their parent physically suffer because the parent messed up when they was younger.

katbyte 3y ago

Many places in the world er visits don’t cost anything.

speedbird 3y ago
Would have to be some pretty hard core food poisoning to need hospital.
- hnbad 3y ago
  Botulism shouldn't be underestimated however you're more likely to get severe food poisoning from re-heated rice than dodgy cheese. That said, many cheeses that keep well just end up tasting like amonia if you allow them to ripen too long. As a cat owner, that's just a no-go for me.
  - pbhjpbhj 3y ago
    Do you have a scientific source for 'get severe food-poisoning from reheated rice'? This was a meme in the past causing a lot of rice you be disposed of; is that disposal justified?
    - astura 3y ago
      The concern with rice is the bacteria spores that lives in rice (and pasta) survive the cooking process and multiply rapidly in prepared rice at room temperature. So you just have to store the rice in the refrigerator immediately (which most people do). https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/food-and-diet/can-reheating-rice-cause-food-poisoning https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/food-and-diet/can... Every few years you get a story like "man dies after eating rice stored on the counter for two weeks." But most people aren't doing that. But some people, I guess, don't understand that cooked rice is a food that requires refrigeration.
      - pbhjpbhj 3y ago
        Thanks for expanding on the issue. Now I need to find out why these spores don't die from being boiled!?

refactor_master 3y ago

Chances are though, that you’re significantly more likely to be poisoned by fresh lettuce than old cheese.

kergonath 3y ago

I have eaten quite a lot of things on 5 continents. I got food poisoning from a lot of things as well. Plus common stomach bugs every so often. What I have never seen ever is someone getting food poisoning from a piece of cheese. And some of them are nasty even without considering what they can pick up in a fridge. Hard cheeses are fine if you just scrap one or two millimetres in the worst cases. Soft cheeses are supposed to have a thriving mould population from the beginning, which prevents a lot of nasty things to develop. The riskiest are cheeses you are supposed to eat very young like cottage cheese. These can be aged with the right culture, but it’s unlikely to happen by chance and they get foul very quickly otherwise. You should be more upset that a simple ER visit could cost you any money at all, to be honest.

SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
The thing about cottage cheeses and the like is our evolution is REALLY good at detecting when dairy is bad (as also alluded to in the article). So while bad cottage cheese is probably dangerous, your inbuilt system is immediately going to detect it as rancid and be repulsed to eating it.
- matt-attack 3y ago
  Yes but what about sour cream?? It’s already sour!

sBqQu3U0wH 3y ago

>a single ER visit due to food poisoning can eat up all money saved in eating aged cheese. I am so glad I don't live in US.