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Is there any hope for the wifi bugs mentioned in the article? I was trying to avoid reviews like this because I didn't want to be thinking about all the proble

Is there any hope for the wifi bugs mentioned in the article? I was trying to avoid reviews like this because I didn't want to be thinking about all the problems instead of looking forward to my new laptop. I am now wondering if I should have gone Intel.

zackify 3y ago
I don’t want to sway people from the WiFi issues. I saw others in the forums without problems. I can definitely say for sure, I ran at least 20 speed tests between it and two phones in the same locations and had much lower bandwidth on it. Hoping this is just an amd issue that will get better.
spatterl1ght 3y ago
i feel like the wifi issues are kind of overblown, i mean 300 down is still blazing fast -- but that is just my usage
- zackify 3y ago
  Yeah exactly. Like it sucks because I have 6E and it can’t really use it, but it’s only a big deal when transferring large files on my network.
  - sva_ 3y ago
    I wonder if this could be due to regulatory domain at all? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration/Wireless#Respecting_the_regulatory_domain https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration/Wirel... 6E didn't work on my Elitebook until I set it from global to my local country. But completely different WiFi chip.
- voltagex_ 3y ago
  I currently get 600 using an Intel AX201 card and 900 from a better router.
  - trustingtrust 3y ago
    The intel stack is more mature right now as someone pointed out in the comments above. Down the road AMD will get better with better drivers and newer chips. If wifi speeds matter to someone and they are upgrading from an older intel board then keeping the old wifi card would make sense as of now.
nrp 3y ago
As the original poster noted, this seems to be an interaction between the specific access point or router and the AMD RZ616 driver, and not something that other users are seeing on their home networks. The RZ616 is AMD's rebrand of MediaTek MT7921K. Mediatek does have a dedicated team working on Linux drivers, but we haven't seen their or AMD's plans: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek All of that said, 13th Gen Intel Core and specifically Intel AX210 WiFi are quite mature in Linux, and Ryzen 7040 U-series and RZ616 are quite new. All indications and communication we've had with AMD point to them having a strong desire to deliver a great Linux experience.
- bubblethink 3y ago
  Do Intel or AMD forbid you from mixing and matching wifi cards ? Why the unnecessary fragmentation ?
  - nrp 3y ago
    There is no specific commercial restriction preventing us from mixing and matching, but there is also no commercial/technical support from either party around the mixed solution. That means that if any issues come up, we have no path to resolving them, including crucially if we ran into issues during RF certifications.
  - hypercube33 3y ago
    iirc Intel has a line of cards that only work on their CPU lines and otherwise, Intel seems to have soft blocked their compatible cards from OEMs - we can't get AMD laptops with Intel nics anymore where I work from all vendors. Otherwise nope - I run Intel ax cards in all of my laptops (HP, Lenovo, Acer, Asus, surface laptop 4 -- came with Intel) and they are solid in windows and Linux.
    - heavyset_go 3y ago
      > Intel has a line of cards that only work on their CPU lines Intel sells CNVi versions of their WiFi module lineups that only work on chipsets that support it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNVi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNVi

zackify 3y ago

I don’t want to sway people from the WiFi issues. I saw others in the forums without problems. I can definitely say for sure, I ran at least 20 speed tests between it and two phones in the same locations and had much lower bandwidth on it. Hoping this is just an amd issue that will get better.

spatterl1ght 3y ago

i feel like the wifi issues are kind of overblown, i mean 300 down is still blazing fast -- but that is just my usage

zackify 3y ago
Yeah exactly. Like it sucks because I have 6E and it can’t really use it, but it’s only a big deal when transferring large files on my network.
- sva_ 3y ago
  I wonder if this could be due to regulatory domain at all? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration/Wireless#Respecting_the_regulatory_domain https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration/Wirel... 6E didn't work on my Elitebook until I set it from global to my local country. But completely different WiFi chip.
voltagex_ 3y ago
I currently get 600 using an Intel AX201 card and 900 from a better router.
- trustingtrust 3y ago
  The intel stack is more mature right now as someone pointed out in the comments above. Down the road AMD will get better with better drivers and newer chips. If wifi speeds matter to someone and they are upgrading from an older intel board then keeping the old wifi card would make sense as of now.

nrp 3y ago

As the original poster noted, this seems to be an interaction between the specific access point or router and the AMD RZ616 driver, and not something that other users are seeing on their home networks. The RZ616 is AMD's rebrand of MediaTek MT7921K. Mediatek does have a dedicated team working on Linux drivers, but we haven't seen their or AMD's plans: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek All of that said, 13th Gen Intel Core and specifically Intel AX210 WiFi are quite mature in Linux, and Ryzen 7040 U-series and RZ616 are quite new. All indications and communication we've had with AMD point to them having a strong desire to deliver a great Linux experience.

bubblethink 3y ago
Do Intel or AMD forbid you from mixing and matching wifi cards ? Why the unnecessary fragmentation ?
- nrp 3y ago
  There is no specific commercial restriction preventing us from mixing and matching, but there is also no commercial/technical support from either party around the mixed solution. That means that if any issues come up, we have no path to resolving them, including crucially if we ran into issues during RF certifications.
- hypercube33 3y ago
  iirc Intel has a line of cards that only work on their CPU lines and otherwise, Intel seems to have soft blocked their compatible cards from OEMs - we can't get AMD laptops with Intel nics anymore where I work from all vendors. Otherwise nope - I run Intel ax cards in all of my laptops (HP, Lenovo, Acer, Asus, surface laptop 4 -- came with Intel) and they are solid in windows and Linux.
  - heavyset_go 3y ago
    > Intel has a line of cards that only work on their CPU lines Intel sells CNVi versions of their WiFi module lineups that only work on chipsets that support it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNVi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNVi