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To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse th
by mabbo 3y ago
To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil.
C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand.
And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to prove someone is guilty, in court, with real evidence. They serve time in prison for their crimes. They can be extradited to other countries to face court there.
If Bhai Hardeep Singh Nijjar was a terrorist, and there was sufficient evidence to convict him, the Indian government should have brought it to the Canadian Government. It's very simple really.
Murdering someone without trial because you don't like their political speech- why, I think there's a word for that.
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- asg101 3y ago[flagged]
- screye 3y ago> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free. I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke.
- ipnon 3y agoMr. Nijjar was not involved; he was 8 years old when this happened.
- rajup 3y agoHe was involved in other similar activities though.
- ipnon 3y agoA man’s freedom to live in a liberal democracy is not dependent on his activity’s perceived similarity to crimes committed by other people. It’s determined by the law and the application of justice. The Canadian government guarantees this and the Indian government interfered with this sovereign right as alleged.
- jessepasley 3y agoWhere does Canada stand with regards for her southern neighbor and his proclivity for extrajudicial killings and violations of sovereignty in the name fighting a War on Terror?
- empyrrhicist 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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- eynsham 3y agoContemptibly silent. I prefer partial silence to complete silence though.
- epgui 3y agoAgreed with everything except for this wording: > The Canadian government guarantees this and the Indian government interfered with this sovereignty as alleged. I would have said instead: "The Canadian government guarantees this and the Indian government is alleged to have interfered with its sovereignty."
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- eYsYs 3y ago> Murdering someone without trial because you don't like their political speech- why, I think there's a word for that. Oh yeah? What's the word for accusing someone for murdering without an iota of proof?
- rajup 3y agoSlander, defamation?
- jpambrun 3y agoThe prime minister put his credibility that of the government on the line. They obviously have evidence and are convinced of this being factual as the price to pay for being wrong will be very steep. By the way, the word you are looking for would be the same for someone accusing of lying or deception without an iota of proof.
- Interloper2 3y ago[flagged]
- epgui 3y agoThis is a distortion of the statement that was actually made / what is actually claimed.
- jakderrida 3y ago> Oh yeah? What's the word for accusing someone for murdering without an iota of proof? A murder accusation. What's your point?
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- TheGeminon 3y agoAyman al-Zawahiri was killed by a US drone strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ayman_al-Zawahiri https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ayman_al-Zawahiri
- AnnikaL 3y agoI don't think that the U.S. killing an Egyptian in Afghanistan makes it more OK for India to kill a Canadian in Canada (if that's in fact what they did).
- emptysongglass 3y agoEvery single time anyone posts anything that puts one nation in a bad light, someone comes in with this. Can we please not do this? Your nation will have its chance in the sun too. Hijacking threads like this to say, "well, what about your nation?" is childish to say the absolute least.
- rajup 3y agoWell diplomacy is built on quid pro quos and whataboutism so I don’t know what’s childish in this, if anything this comment comes off as pretty naive and childish.
- emptysongglass 3y agoI'm sorry, but no, that is not diplomacy. If you think that is diplomacy, then you're spending a lot of time on tabloids and news headlines and no time where the diplomacy is primarily happening: in stuffy meeting rooms. This is the behavior of actual children who can't stand to be subjected to critique and deflect with screams and shouts of their own victimhood. Tomorrow it will be China's debt crisis, and the day after America's latest foreign intervention come to haunt them again but you know what? You can wait your turn. That's the very adult thing to do.
- chaostheory 3y agoSo Facebook still allows posts of news articles in Canada post C-18? I’m not very familiar with the subject hence the question
- TheRealPomax 3y agoIt didn't say news article shares were getting removed, individual users' posts in which they talk about current events are being removed.
- dirtyid 3y agoWestern citizenship being inviolable golden passports for sheltering/weaponizing dissidents of foreign states is not going to be sustainable forever. The west providing sanctuary for enemies of other states is going to end when other states possess power/leverage to do something about it.
- pedrosorio 3y agoReplace Western with Russian and foreign with American and you have Snowden. The asymmetry you imply does not exist.
- dirtyid 3y agoAnd Pompeo wanted to whack snowden. The asymmetry is west shelters much more foreign dissidents/criminals, and has more opportunities to weaponize them for foreign policy. Frequently it's deliberate, sometimes it's just happenstance of high immigration. But ultimately, west won't be able to stay clean of diasphora foreign policy drama, especially ones they actively cultivate or fail to suppress. Old legal excuse of, lol no we don't extradite to non-like minded countries, is going to lead to extra legal actions like this.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> Pompeo wanted to whack snowden There wouldn’t be an issue if New Delhi had stuck to wanting to whack a Canadian.
- dirtyid 3y agoWhacking Snowden in RU is different tier of drama than whacking a Canadian. Time will tell if this is going to be a significant issue. Hard to imagine FVEY / US not knowing when Canada brought it up during G20 and have this not dominate the G20 narrative.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
- Method-X 3y agoThe word for it is "extrajudicial killing."
- CydeWeys 3y agoOr just assassination.
- manonthewall 3y ago[dead]
- CrzyLngPwd 3y agoThat's not a word.
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- thefurdrake 3y agoAlways fun to have someone try to be a pedant when they don't actually know the meaning of a word. It's fun that this one is "word". https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/word https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/word > Definition 2 a/b/c are clearly the contextually-relevant definitions https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/word https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/word > Second most popular synonym: "phrase". Next time when you try to be a pedant, come prepared. Not only is it not wanted, you're not even correct.
- CrzyLngPwd 3y agoIf that's your idea of fun you need to get out (more).
- thefurdrake 3y agoGreat way to concede the point by failing to address my response. :)
- VancouverMan 3y ago[flagged]
- jakderrida 3y agoYou're comparing extra-judicial murder to mask mandates?
- VancouverMan 3y agoThat would have to be a separate discussion. It's obviously not the one we're having here right now. It was asserted that "in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law". I don't think that assertion is true based on recent events. Forced masking was just one of many abuses of government power we saw in Canada very recently. If there actually were rule of law in Canada, as was claimed, then none of those abuses would have happened.
- flangola7 3y agoThis is unhinged, I'm sorry but that writing categorically cannot be the output of rational thought process. Implementing comprehensive and strong public health protocols during a once-in-a-century pandemic is exactly the type of responsibility government exists for. Right up there with building roads and national defense.
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- dharmach 3y ago>>Murdering someone without trial because you don't like their political speech- why, I think there's a word for that. Claiming without proof that Indian government carried out killing is called what?
- ulchar 3y agoLook up Omar Khadr [1]. If the United States couldn't get an extradition for that kid, could India get one for Nijjar? I doubt it. Not saying as justification for the alleged actions of the Indian government, not in the slightest. I only suggest that Canada wouldn't necessarily co-operate eagerly. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr#
- mabbo 3y agoReally, Khadr? The guy was brainwashed as a child by his lunatic father and dragged to Afghanistan to resist American's invasion. There was some kind of firefight, he nearly died, and the Americans decided that since he survived he was guilty of all the crimes. He was 15. A kid. A child soldier, by international law. He was held for a decade in Guantanamo Bay, a US military facility, without any real trial. The US already had him. They abused his rights and ignored international law. Why should Canada give him back to them?
- ulchar 3y agoNever said that Khadr should've been extradited, he shouldn't have at all and I support the Canadian government decision. But the claims of the Indian government against Nijjar are also dubious which points to the likelihood that any diplomatic transfer was a non-starter. Of course, the difference here was that the USA attempted a diplomatic process and did not execute a citizen on Canadian soil.
- flerovium 3y agoSo India couldn't extradite him. There are many people North Korea would like to punish but can't extradite. You seem to be implying that if India couldn't extradite him, they should kill him.
- dotnet00 3y agoHe already said that he isn't intending that at all and is just pointing out that an extradition probably wouldn't pan out.