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Is there an actual technical point beyond ”MS bad” for this sentiment? Honestly asking, as I’ve been mostly hearing positive things about AzDO, and from develo
by shandor 3y ago
Is there an actual technical point beyond ”MS bad” for this sentiment?
Honestly asking, as I’ve been mostly hearing positive things about AzDO, and from developers of all people.
- datadrivenangel 3y agoADO makes me yearn for Jira. The boards are terrible, the UI is hard, the permissions are incomprehensible, it doesn't even integrate that nicely with Azure. On paper it does everything, it practice it can be made to do everything, but it's like getting citrus drenched sandpaper papercuts every day.
- shandor 3y agoHah, thanks for that mental image. As I said the positivive sentiments I heard came from developers, and TFA is about CI (rather than boards etc. that JIRA handles, so is there maybe anything remotely positive in how AzDO implements CI, git integration, testing, etc? Or is it just rotten to the core? Hard to imagine someone would hate it more than Bitbucket Pipelines or, god forbid, Bamboo. Buuut I’m more than open-minded if need be.
- WorldMaker 3y agoAzDO Pipelines was directly the first draft of what became GitHub Actions, so technically it does have a lot to recommend it, especially if you learn the Multi-Stage YAML approach which does sort of directly feed into GitHub Actions for the eventual day you decide to migrate.
- datadrivenangel 3y agoYeah, the Pipelines are okay all things considered.
- WorldMaker 3y agoAzDO is "decent", depending on your needs, but it's in an unfortunate zombie state where Microsoft is supporting it just enough to keep it stable and keep certain enterprises happy and consistently insisting that AzDO has a roadmap and is still beloved, but it is very clear that all of the actual resources are going to the GitHub side of the house in 2023. (One of the most recent signs of this crazy zombie state that a recent feature for AzDO was given the absurd only Microsoft could do brand name "GitHub Advanced Secure for Azure DevOps", and it is indeed a bundle of GitHub features several years old at this point finally provided to AzDO users. Other signs include all sorts of AzDO libraries and roadmaps and related repos openly hosted on GitHub with last updated dates in 2019 and 2020.) From an outsider perspective, Microsoft probably has a lot of sentimental and internal engineering reasons it doesn't want to truly wrap up so much of its operations in North Carolina (AzDO's ancestral home going back to early days of TFS), but the writing seems to be on the wall that what's left is a skeleton crew mostly working for GitHub full time and then sort of applying things part time back to AzDO. It doesn't seem to me to be sustainable long term, and every day it feels more like an Old Yeller situation where Microsoft is just prolonging the inevitable and making the pain worse for everyone involved.
- gabereiser 3y agoThis. AzDO will die. It will be replaced entirely by Github. It originally was only designed as a way to get people onto Azure using their already-existing MS partnership to give it away for free. The only purpose, drive adoption of Azure Cloud. In runners, resources, stickiness, and preventing abandoning ship.
- rhaway84773 3y agoAzure Devops existed well before GitHub was owned by MS under Visual Studio Online moniker. It was intended to be a SAAS version of the on Prem offerings MS has provided since before GitHub even existed.
- gabereiser 3y agoI know it’s history and I know it’s future.