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You see the slippery slope with that argument at least?

GuB-42 3y ago
The keyword here is "different culture". There is no slippery slope, it is just a (debatable) argument about letting the Japanese do it the Japanese way, even if it seems outrageous to non-Japanese.
- Capricorn2481 3y ago
  Why are you assuming Japanese people want this? This is likely just strict laws to please entertainment lobbyists. The culture in Japan is not even remarkably different from the US. Legally, the police can shoot you in your sleep in the US. Do we unironically dismiss criticism of this as not understanding American culture?
  - signatoremo 3y ago
    > Legally, the police can shoot you in your sleep in the US. Can you be specific which law allows that? Shooting circumstances obviously varies, but which law says you can be shot in your sleep if X, Y, Z happen?
    - millzlane 3y ago
      If you're genuinely curious see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Not remarkably different? It's about as different as it gets if you disregard obvious outliers like north Korea (because they don't have an organic culture, it's forced upon them)
    - Capricorn2481 3y ago
      Not really. There are over a hundred countries and most of them are not culturally close to the US. In terms of what is valued in their culture and how they express themselves, we have way more in common with them than most countries. US/Japan relations are actually shockingly strong considering our history, and there's a lot of cross pollination in our zeitgeist. The point being trying to dismiss blatant corruption from big corporation influence as "the Japanese way" is ridiculous
      - wkat4242 3y ago
        That anime is popular in the US doesn't really mean that much. The Japanese are really regimental, focused on obedience to higher-ups and employers, family honor, have a strict framework of written and unwritten rules... That couldn't be more different from the US (and most other western countries in fact). Personally I really frown on such concepts as I embrace individuality but good to them, I just wouldn't want to live there :P
        Capricorn2481 3y ago
        > That anime is popular in the US doesn't really mean that much. I mean that's a nice reductive take of what I said > The Japanese are really regimental, focused on obedience to higher-ups and employers, family honor, have a strict framework of written and unwritten rules... That couldn't be more different from the US (and most other western countries in fact). What? This is about as true as saying America is sexually repressed or Sweden is a utopian paradise. It's a broad brush that speaks more to what is "taboo" in public relations, but there's a lot of Japanese people who would laugh at the idea that they fit into this box. Individuality is doing fine in Japan. I don't see how "North Korea" is the only country that is an outlier to you here more extreme than Japan. Obviously India and most middle eastern countries are lightyears more family oriented and strict about obedience than Japan. Most East-Asian countries too.
- akomtu 3y ago
  The japanese way ended with the samurais.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Yes but we can still have an opinion about it.

The keyword here is "different culture". There is no slippery slope, it is just a (debatable) argument about letting the Japanese do it the Japanese way, even if it seems outrageous to non-Japanese.

Capricorn2481 3y ago
Why are you assuming Japanese people want this? This is likely just strict laws to please entertainment lobbyists. The culture in Japan is not even remarkably different from the US. Legally, the police can shoot you in your sleep in the US. Do we unironically dismiss criticism of this as not understanding American culture?
- signatoremo 3y ago
  > Legally, the police can shoot you in your sleep in the US. Can you be specific which law allows that? Shooting circumstances obviously varies, but which law says you can be shot in your sleep if X, Y, Z happen?
  - millzlane 3y ago
    If you're genuinely curious see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Not remarkably different? It's about as different as it gets if you disregard obvious outliers like north Korea (because they don't have an organic culture, it's forced upon them)
  - Capricorn2481 3y ago
    Not really. There are over a hundred countries and most of them are not culturally close to the US. In terms of what is valued in their culture and how they express themselves, we have way more in common with them than most countries. US/Japan relations are actually shockingly strong considering our history, and there's a lot of cross pollination in our zeitgeist. The point being trying to dismiss blatant corruption from big corporation influence as "the Japanese way" is ridiculous
    - wkat4242 3y ago
      That anime is popular in the US doesn't really mean that much. The Japanese are really regimental, focused on obedience to higher-ups and employers, family honor, have a strict framework of written and unwritten rules... That couldn't be more different from the US (and most other western countries in fact). Personally I really frown on such concepts as I embrace individuality but good to them, I just wouldn't want to live there :P
      - Capricorn2481 3y ago
        > That anime is popular in the US doesn't really mean that much. I mean that's a nice reductive take of what I said > The Japanese are really regimental, focused on obedience to higher-ups and employers, family honor, have a strict framework of written and unwritten rules... That couldn't be more different from the US (and most other western countries in fact). What? This is about as true as saying America is sexually repressed or Sweden is a utopian paradise. It's a broad brush that speaks more to what is "taboo" in public relations, but there's a lot of Japanese people who would laugh at the idea that they fit into this box. Individuality is doing fine in Japan. I don't see how "North Korea" is the only country that is an outlier to you here more extreme than Japan. Obviously India and most middle eastern countries are lightyears more family oriented and strict about obedience than Japan. Most East-Asian countries too.
akomtu 3y ago
The japanese way ended with the samurais.
wkat4242 3y ago
Yes but we can still have an opinion about it.