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This is something Google Cloud should learn from. It doesn't matter if product XX still makes money or fits in your business model. There are people who rely on
by keltex 3y ago
This is something Google Cloud should learn from. It doesn't matter if product XX still makes money or fits in your business model. There are people who rely on it. And they'll remember if the vendor kept it running trouble free for years. They'll also remember if it was arbitrarily shut down or the price was suddenly increased by 4x and they had to spend many man hours migrating to another option. (Google maps api?)
Then in the future when that same person is responsibly for choosing a vendor for a new project, they'll remember.
- mongol 3y agoThat's a good point. But I am curious how special this Classic offering was, compared to what came after. Would migration have been hard?
- snewman 3y agoIt's not so much that EC2 Classic offered any features that were difficult to live without. It's just that migraine away from it means migrating, period. You need to move all of your systems, including any data stored on those systems (in instance store or EBS), to effectively a new data center. Migrating a live production environment can be a pain and/or cause downtime.
- knodi123 3y ago> It's just that migraine away from it means migrating, period. Freudian slip?
- brianshaler 3y agoIt's also worth remembering that infrastructure stuck on EC2 Classic would have been built so long ago it may predate modern cloud tooling and even modern best practices around reproducibility and CI/CD. (EC2 user since 2010)
- MichaelZuo 3y agoThis. Unless a written guarantee could be offered by the cloud provider that migration will be absolutely trouble free, why wouldn't customers just stick to what they know works? And if they're not willing to provide a written guarantee, then that says a lot.
- snewman 3y agoIn this scenario, it's nothing to do with the cloud provider. Migrating a live production system is inherently difficult. You can make a reasonable analogy to moving houses – say, with two kids who are in school, and while you and your spouse are both working. No matter what guarantees you're given regarding the condition of the new house, simply moving all of your stuff (while you are using it) is a big hassle.
- MichaelZuo 3y agoIn this example, it wouldn't be the guarantees for the new house, which presumably would have been examined and accepted well beforehand, it would be guarantees for the moving process itself.
- acdha 3y agoExactly - and with fewer managed services back then they’d also be more likely to have hand-rolled servers doing things which you’d now try to hand off to a managed service. I remember entire servers running small tasks which you’d now have, say, CloudFront or an ALB invoking Lambdas or at least sending it to a container.
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- flir 3y agoGoogle Reader. Never forget.
- sneak 3y agoI miss Google Search being good and useful and not covered in intrusive ads much more than I miss something easily replaced with local software or Feedly. Almost everything Google does outside of GCP, Maps, Search, and YouTube could evaporate for all I care. Google's problem is not that they cancel stuff, it's the everpresent need to grow revenue and embed annoying ads into more and more of everyone's daily lives. I'd love for them to cancel Gmail with a very short notice period. The endgame for Google is every Google user loaded full of energy drinks watching ads continuously for 20 hours a day. Every lifestyle that's less profitable than that is something Google will eventually try to engineer away.
- Kuinox 3y agoI started to use Kagi instead of google search. Since, it's difficult to get back on google, the results are so much worse.
- xnx 3y agoWhat's an example search that's better on Kagi?
- recursive 3y ago"Radiator". I just picked a word at random. All the other ones are better too.
- freeAgent 3y agoFunny enough, I just tried it and I agree. I have pinned Wikipedia in Kagi, so that came out on top rather than a link to Autozone at Google. Google's "Places" results were also (significantly) farther away yet no more relevant than Kagi's. So...yes. Radiator.
- resolutebat 3y agoGoogle Cloud officially deprecated its EC2 Classic equivalent, legacy networks, years ago but they're still running just fine: https://cloud.google.com/vpc/docs/legacy https://cloud.google.com/vpc/docs/legacy
- hotstickyballs 3y agoSounds to me like a rug pull is imminent
- rgoulter 3y agohttps://goomics.net/50/ https://goomics.net/50/
- panarky 3y agoI'm experiencing a bizarre sense of unreality reading comments on a story about Amazon killing EC2-Classic, where the first line is "Retiring services isn’t something we do", while having just read yet another email from Amazon warning me about all my files stored in the defunct Amazon Drive, and somehow 90% of the discussion is about a completely different company discontinuing products.
- twothamendment 3y agoWe had some classic ec-2. They gave plenty of warning and migration was easy. I think Google is being brought up so much because that isn't the typical Google experience when they kill things off. I get your point, if AI were training on this content it might conclude that Google killed off its ec-2 product.
- wmf 3y agoAWS is pretty separate from consumer Amazon.
- master_crab 3y agoYup was going to say. AWS treats its customers a bit differently than retail Amazon. The latter cuts services faster than Google.
- weinzierl 3y agoI agree with everything you wrote, except for the very last sentence. This is just wishful thinking. First of all "when the same person is responsible" is a very big if, and then no two buying decisions are the same and even if the person with decision-making power remembers it'll be just one point on a long list.
- bilalq 3y agoGoogle clearly doesn't care about their reputation. Their shutdown of Pixel Pass before users got a chance to upgrade was just ridiculous[1]. It's hard to quantify the impact that this poor reputation has on their business. Their revenue is still growing, but it's definitely not where it could be. [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/30/23851107/google-graveyard-pixel-pass-subscription-phone-upgrades https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/30/23851107/google-graveyard...
- rakkhi 3y agoSoftware engineering at Google even had a law for their https://medium.com/se-101-software-engineering/what-is-the-hyrums-law-and-why-should-software-engineers-care-9bd98fbe74da https://medium.com/se-101-software-engineering/what-is-the-h...