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Or at least ask before scrapping/reading it.

by deelly 3y ago

bomewish 3y ago
If it’s on the open internet then why should they have to do that? How is openai training on articles fundamentally different from the wayback machine storing them? They’re just getting stored in a different form.
- morelisp 3y ago
  Copyright law includes many exceptions explicitly for libraries.
  - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
    Copywrite law doesn't ban people from reading the source altogether. That is what is being proposed, ban AI from being allowed to 'read' the content. The real argument is how does a human brain aggregate knowledge and then profit from it, and is it really that different from an AI model aggregating knowledge. They both read in data, perform calculations on the data, and spit out something.
    - Filligree 3y ago
      Why should it be okay for humans to make a profit off of reading copyrighted content, though?
      - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37159753 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37159753
    - morelisp 3y ago
      This is a religious belief and not scientific knowledge or strong legal argument.
      - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
        Are you projecting a religious argument onto LLM's? It seems you are assuming that humans contains some metaphysical 'essence' like a soul that is doing the thinking? Please connect the dots here.
- awesomeMilou 3y ago
  That's like saying that taking a sample from a song and putting it in a remix is just a different way of storing the original song. If I cut the original song up just right and put enough samples across different songs... The issue here really lies in "yeah so how actually DOES this make a difference" legally speaking. It just seems unfair that I'm not allowed to copypaste a text verbatim or upload a movie to youtube that I don't own the copyright for, yet OpenAI can happily commercialize on content that has been sorted and rated for quality by someone else. The question is "are they allowed to do this under the umbrella of current copyright legislation?" and the answer has far reaching implications.
- bmitc 3y ago
  What is the "open internet"?

Or at least ask before scrapping/reading it.

by deelly 3y ago

Or at least ask before scrapping/reading it.

If it’s on the open internet then why should they have to do that? How is openai training on articles fundamentally different from the wayback machine storing them? They’re just getting stored in a different form.

morelisp 3y ago
Copyright law includes many exceptions explicitly for libraries.
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  Copywrite law doesn't ban people from reading the source altogether. That is what is being proposed, ban AI from being allowed to 'read' the content. The real argument is how does a human brain aggregate knowledge and then profit from it, and is it really that different from an AI model aggregating knowledge. They both read in data, perform calculations on the data, and spit out something.
  - Filligree 3y ago
    Why should it be okay for humans to make a profit off of reading copyrighted content, though?
    - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37159753 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37159753
  - morelisp 3y ago
    This is a religious belief and not scientific knowledge or strong legal argument.
    - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
      Are you projecting a religious argument onto LLM's? It seems you are assuming that humans contains some metaphysical 'essence' like a soul that is doing the thinking? Please connect the dots here.
awesomeMilou 3y ago
That's like saying that taking a sample from a song and putting it in a remix is just a different way of storing the original song. If I cut the original song up just right and put enough samples across different songs... The issue here really lies in "yeah so how actually DOES this make a difference" legally speaking. It just seems unfair that I'm not allowed to copypaste a text verbatim or upload a movie to youtube that I don't own the copyright for, yet OpenAI can happily commercialize on content that has been sorted and rated for quality by someone else. The question is "are they allowed to do this under the umbrella of current copyright legislation?" and the answer has far reaching implications.
bmitc 3y ago
What is the "open internet"?