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>It would be great to see the industry refocus on products that are designed to be consumed in moderation. I feel that the legal weed industry is speedrunning

• dylan604 3y ago
  Very much in agreement. Cannabis as a medicine means needing other cannabinoids other than THC. The minors all contribute in ways that we're just now really starting to study for a better understanding of the why.
  • DANmode 3y ago
    Relearning old lessons. Oils from plants in nature are super helpful, when used correctly! (Hint: if you're a medicinal user in any form, probably best to stop lighting shit on fire)
    • rs999gti 3y ago
      Agree. No health provider is ever going to approve burning anything for medicinal usages. All studies have proven all the bad stuff comes from combustion.
• FloatArtifact 3y ago
  Underlying assumption is that moderation is the issue, however it's addiction for those that can't quit. In layman's terms, the brain's chemistry has been altered permanently. This can happen for some even after the first use THC, opioids, alcohol and you name it. Obviously the progression doesn't happen as fast for some. However, the key being they can't quit in moderation or in excess. Some can abstain for 3 months, some for six, thinking they don't have a problem but then find themselves using even a little. There's a self-rationalization as well as self-centeredness that's part of the disease process of addiction. I would say it's not only a disease process but it is a huge factor. Cross addiction substituting one substance for another is also part of that self-rationalization.
  • j16sdiz 3y ago
    > ... it's addiction for those that can't quit. ...can't quit without side-effects. Most addicts can stop using immediately with the side-effect that becoming less productive/energetic. For THC, it is relatively easy to mitigate most side effects by adjusting the dose. Modulation is not the key, but helps a lot
    • FloatArtifact 3y ago
      You're talking about withdrawal which is semi-related to an underlying diagnosis of addiction. That is to say someone can go through quitting a substance without withdrawals symptoms yet still have an addiction.
  • bko 3y ago
    I hear this claim often that your brain chemistry changes from substance use and it makes sense when you look at addicts. But with other things relating to addiction, I found claims to be hyperbole. An example is addiction is a disease no different than cancer. We don't want to tell addicts to just cut it out. But is it true? Are there scans of people before and after a while of chronic substance abuse that shows brain differences? Can we scan someone's brain and tell that they're addicts? Honest question, I don't know
    • finfrastrcuture 3y ago
      I think a nuance that's lost is the difference in addiction between a pharmacological substance vs a behavior. "Brain scans" and their equivalents will do a much better job revealing the former than the latter. That doesn't make behavioral addictions any less damaging from a holistic view of the patient's health (i.e. their overall quality of life). To me, I feel as though that behavioral addiction is completely disregarded by the medical community. If someone is lighting up every night / having a drink and want to stop, they need an alternative way of closing out the day. Otherwise of course it'll be difficult.
      • FloatArtifact 3y ago
• binarymax 3y ago
  Still waiting for the craft beer scene in the US to get out of its grapefruit juice phase.
  • zerocrates 3y ago
    The whole New England/juicy/hazy IPA space has been the "fad" for so long that the fad cycle almost doesn't seem to exist anymore.
    • oorza 3y ago
      Might be because there's a lot of people like me that only like that style of beer. I don't dislike other types of beer, but I'd rather drink something else than a lager, stout, porter, pilsner, etc. I've found that there aren't a lot of diehards for any other style, but IPA diehards are a dime a dozen.
      • yogurthewise 3y ago
        Agreed, IPAs(west coast, hazy, etc) are pretty much the only beer I enjoy drinking(for taste). Occasionally, I'll take a lager on a hot day when I want something really "light".
      • unethical_ban 3y ago
        I feel like I'm allergic, literally, to hazy IPA. I like the occasional DIPA but otherwise I stick with Belgians, stouts, porters, or lagers.
        • Arrath 3y ago
          The darker the better, imo. Though I appreciate a good blonde or hefe, my favorites are the Abysses or Ten Fidy's of the world.
      • papertokyo 3y ago
        I could drink a hazy pale or NEIPA anytime, it would be my desert island style for sure. Never liked the high IBU IPAs that were everywhere for a while because of the bitterness. (And I love all the Campari-adjacent cocktails) I feel similarly about the store-bought THC products in Canada. They're like high ABV, hopped-up IPAs when really I just want a light, refreshing, repeatable beer with good flavour.
• mtreis86 3y ago
  Cannabis has an inverse relationship between potency and health as alcohol. Drinking a dozen beers is (marginally) less dangerous than a dozen shots, because it takes longer to process and alcohol is a toxin. THC isn't a toxin. The smaller amount you inhale, of smoke or vapor, the better. I'll take a puff of some 90+% vapor any day over having to smoke an entire joint for the same effect. What we need is more accurate vapor delivery devices that can meter better.
  • TylerE 3y ago
    Disagree. Those 12 beers contain a vast amount of carbs that will not be in the liquor. Now, sure, if you slam 12 shots of Cuervo back to back you're going to have a bad time - 12 shots is an entire bottle if you're actually getting full pours. But if you consumed one shot or one beer every hour... no difference in the effects.
    • bhelkey 3y ago
      > But if you consumed one shot or one beer every hour... no difference in the effects. Their point is that it is much easier socially to sip a beer slowly over an hour than it is to sip a shot over that same hour.
      • TylerE 3y ago
        I see zero in the GP about social effects. Their comment is addressing (alleged) health concerns and form of consumption.
      • sublinear 3y ago
        Hah I've known a few people to sip shots at the bar. They don't get shunned for it. It just means people don't buy them a shot. Also most people who take shots aren't trying to get wasted. Drinking a shot the normal way every half hour to an hour alongside always having a beer to sip until done for the night is fairly standard. e.g. about 6 beers and 3 shots over the course of 2 to 4 hours.
• vintermann 3y ago
  Why would an industry that sells a addictive and harmful product do that? alcohol is more harmful and cannabis is more addictive (comparing how many say they try to quit), but apart from that they're not so different from the market perspective. Craft beers are just a niche. I don't trust the industry to self-regulate towards less profit.
  • ForDoLupe 3y ago
    Gotta just be blunt here and let you know that yours id an awful take and those are awful reference points you're drawing from there. I'm stunned to find anyone this far removed from the release of "Reefer Madness" who believes that cannabis is more addictive than alcohol. As a recovered addict who has spent many months in multiple rehabs and many hours at meetings -- with hundreds of other addicts, I can assure you that booze is EASILY more dangerous/unhealthy/addictive than weed. Across the board; worse by every general measure.
    • DANmode 3y ago
      It seems difficult to measure this, as it's wildly varying in addictiveness depending on the wildly varying affects each human gets from the substances.
      • vintermann 3y ago
        Yes, it's just one possible way to measure. But I think the number of users who say they've tried to cut down/quit and failed, is a pretty practical measure.
    • vintermann 3y ago
      Dangerous/unhealth/addictive are three different things! I specifically said alcohol is more dangerous and unhealthy. Judging from the number of users who say they would like to stop using it but can't, cannabis is more addictive, however. There are plenty of surveys of this, and I've seen even cannabis activists take them seriously, advocating offerings to cut down/quit similar to those we offer to smokers. I don't know why, and this is just one possible measure of addictiveness, but it is what it is.
• phone8675309 3y ago
  I wonder what the impact of cannabis being illegal federally has on this sort of thing. A lot of people went from drinking beer and wine when Prohibition was first enacted in the US and moved to liquor. This happened because many of the speakeasies would rather have a given volume of liquor versus beer because they can serve more customers and there is less of a concern about your product being large and conspicuous. With illicit drugs you often find the producers making the drugs more and more concentrated so they can move more product in a smaller volume and then step on it to make up the bulk later down the supply chain. It would make sense to me that dispensaries would be more interested in buying and receiving higher THC product because they can either do more with less or they can have customers come in less often and serve more of them.
  • DANmode 3y ago
    MAJOR impact. People are only aware of what they can put hands on in their locale. It's basically the one thing I hope Amazon gets their way on (they're one of the bigger lobbyists for legalization).
• roguas 3y ago
  When you put metrics on something. You see its limits... then you push them. Every industry does that till they find sky is the limit but its actually about balance.