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What actually happens is people often just come back to TrueBlue - like when Paul Graham left Twitter: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1604556563338887168 http
by RichieAHB 3y ago
What actually happens is people often just come back to TrueBlue - like when Paul Graham left Twitter: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1604556563338887168 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1604556563338887168.
- ImaCake 3y agoFor those unwilling to follow a twitter link: the latest post is from 2 days ago. Which is much more recent than his "I'm leaving" annoucement. EDIT: I guess this begs the question then, how do you break the cycle? Do you just stay trapped in one walled garden despite it getting much worse, or do decentralised platforms offer temporary/permanent respite?
- muglug 3y agoFalling out of the tech-cultural zeitgeist is a terrifying prospect for some. Since I was never in it, it was very easy for me to stop posting to Twitter.
- jacquesm 3y agoYou break the cycle by sticking to your principles and when you leave you leave and 'stay left'.
- petemir 3y agoA way to further help breaking the cycle could be deleting the account. Probably it would avoid the sunken cost fallacy.
- jacquesm 3y agoI did just that with Twitter. But HN plays it smarter, you can't delete your account. But one of these days...
- codetrotter 3y agoWhy leave HN though? It’s nice here
- jacquesm 3y agoIt is. But it also eats up time, and that's your most finite resource.
- coldtea 3y agoRelaxation and contentment (times when you don't feel the urge to be productive) is actually the most finite resource.
- jacquesm 3y agoThat's a fair point. Off to play the piano :) (thanks for the reminder)
- actionfromafar 3y agoChanged my password to a really long random string. Still, here I am with a new account…
- DonHopkins 3y agoHN could milk the whales by monetizing deleting your account and individual posts. The higher your karma, the more it costs.
- codetrotter 3y agoIt also helps to delete your account when you want to leave. That’s what I did when I stopped using Facebook years ago. Deleted my account completely. All data gone. Profile gone. If he had deleted his Twitter account then all followers would be gone and there wouldn’t be so much point in coming back. In some cases even deleting your account is not enough. For example I recently deleted my Reddit account, but I still come back to check the posts on Reddit now and then. I tried to run a Lemmy instance but got hit by a wave of bot accounts, so I turned off my Lemmy instance for now. When I have time to get it back up and running then hopefully I can get more real people to come join the instance and the I can stay active on my Lemmy instance instead of continuing to read posts on Reddit. At least I have stopped posting to Reddit though. So I am not providing their business with free content anymore. But still providing them with my eyeballs for their ads for now. In the case of Twitter, people who had a lot of followers and were frequently tweeting would probably be better able to leave if they deleted their accounts. And as a bonus thanks to recent changes if you delete your account you can’t even read Twitter anymore, since reading requires that you stay signed in. So in a way Twitter helps people when they want to leave, as long as people do their part and delete their accounts.
- Hamuko 3y agoMy solution was to not make a "I'm leaving for X" post but rather "I do most of my social media posting on X now" post. I do still make a few posts on Twitter but not nearly as many as I did before.
- delusional 3y agoPeople like Paul are tied to twitter because they are addicted to popularity. I bet you don't have that same problem, so you just leave. Just stop going there one day, and keep doing that every day. You'll notice that, although it felt really important, your life will not change at all.
- bigpeopleareold 3y agoI started to read a book on a summary of Norse myths. In the introduction, it suggested that since in pre-Christian Scandinavia there was no strong or even existing belief in a timeless afterlife, people, particularly of the Viking stock, would seek their fame as a way to live on after their own death. I thought this was interesting in that it could be profound in the minds of public individuals, whether conscious or not, particularly if they share a lack of an eternal life.
- chambers 3y agoNeat. What's the name of the book?
- bigpeopleareold 3y agoThe Penguin Book of Norse Myths :)
- eis 3y agoBut the Vikings did have believes in afterlife. Later records of Valhalla or Folkvangr speak of that very clearly. There is also the fact that items were added to burried bodies which usually is done with the believe that these items would be useful for the deceased person in the afterlife.
- jacquesm 3y ago> in pre-Christian Scandinavia there was no strong or even existing belief in a timeless afterlife Pre-Christian Scandinavia is a rather long span of time.
- HlessClaudesman 3y agoI've been off Twatter since November. I'm enjoying Mastodon / methadone right now. Satisfies the random info itch, not enough of my social network to be addictive.
- nordsieck 3y ago> I guess this begs the question then, how do you break the cycle? Depends on what you want. If you want reach, then you have to go where the eyeballs are. If you don't want to deal with platform churn, then just build on a platform that you control (website). For a select few, it's possible to do both at once.
- manuelmoreale 3y agoYou do break it by replacing the walled garden with something more sane. I personally left all traditional social media and replaced it with a personal blog and private emails and mails to people and I couldn’t be happier.
- jacquesm 3y agoHN is also a walled garden. A nice one, but still.
- inopinatus 3y agoare you kidding it's a dark forest
- manuelmoreale 3y agoI honestly don’t consider HN social media because the vast majority of the content here is driven by 3rd party content since it’s mostly external links. I see it more like a forum than a social media platform.
- jacquesm 3y agoForums are just another branch on the social media tree.
- manuelmoreale 3y agoYou're not wrong but we can stretch the definition of social media to the point where it's no longer useful. Still, doesn't change the meaning of my original post. Sharing content on your own site, on your own terms and interacting with others directly via email is by far the best replacement to the current situation. At least it is for me.
- jacquesm 3y agoI think the differentiating factor is a simple one: you interact with people that you would not have known in real life, a global 'two way street'. If it doesn't have that component then it isn't social media.
- quickthrower2 3y agoFor me it is easy - I am very bad at social media-ing so there is little fun in it to begin with.
- inopinatus 3y agoThe fundamental misconception - as the original video lampoons - is that you must necessarily adopt some alternate platform.
- jacquesm 3y agoI get regular questions about where I've landed after leaving twitter and the answer is 'nowhere', and it may well remain that way.
- concordDance 3y agoDidn't he come back because they fixed the linking policy issue that made him leave?
- cubefox 3y agoExactly.
- RichieAHB 3y agoI read “the last straw” as being the final bad decision among many (which I think is what the idiom means). A tipping point. Usually you can’t remove “the last straw” to fix the camel’s back. If the linking policy was the sole issue I think that tweet didn’t convey his meaning. However, I actually think that, like many people, he returned despite some remaining issues he had. Also, I get it, social media is made to be addictive. Even more so when you have a following. My original point was that I think moving through a long chain of alternatives on moral grounds is not a common pattern.
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