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Gandi.net updates pricing, increases rates by up to 1000%

116 points by Chatting 3y ago

yawnxyz 3y ago
If they have to raise prices to... $5/mo, to me that sounds like a part of their " no bs" policy. To me, 35c/mo doesn't exactly sound like a service I should be trusting with something like emails. $5/mo won't exactly break the bank either.
cardosof 3y ago
I used to really like Gandi. I still have a t-shirt with their #no_bullshit slogan that's from 2015-16. It's been a couple of years since I stopped having any need for their services, and its sad to see them dropping the ball like this.
LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
> Now, Gandi will raise the prices of the Standard mailbox plan from €0.35/month to €3.99/month per mailbox, a 1040% increase. This headline reads as if the company is just destroying customer wallets a La Reddit API customers until you get into the details. There are premium email clients that charge way more than EUR3.99 per month.
- IMTDb 3y ago
  Reddit API costs along the line of €2.50/month for providing read/write access to terabytes of targeted content. Less than the new Gandi pricing for a mailbox.
  - buildbot 3y ago
    No, it costs much, much more if you actually tried to read out terabytes of content…
  - sieabahlpark 3y ago
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null-shell 3y ago
Whats a good alternative now, I have a few domains with them..
- tomschwiha 3y ago
  I like OVH for domains
- lolinder 3y ago
  I'm very happy with Namecheap. The prices are very reasonable (though I confess I have never really shopped around), the UI is functional and largely gets out of your way and lets you do what you want.
- yawnxyz 3y ago
  Lots of people on HN hate Cloudflare... but they're pretty good on prices, UI, and "just works"ness. Their support is also speedy.
  - pierat 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      > They cater to nazies, white nationalists, and booters Do they actually, or do they just have a service for anyone?
      - rodgerd 3y ago
        Well, they fight tooth-and-nail to keep crims and fascists online, but they pre-emptively kick sex workers. What does that tell you?
        nilespotter 3y ago
        Literally why I use them.
Nadya 3y ago
Was only a matter of time after Gandi was sold off. It made me migrate all of my emails to a self-hosted solution using Mail-in-a-box. I'm also looking for another registrar that handles .me and .ru domains without going through Cloudflare. So far no luck. So my domains will cost me a little more to renew next time it comes time to renew them.
rammer 3y ago
Click bait title. 1000% when the real story is an increase of 3 euro? Bs, the company decided they can't discount and as long as they give enough notice I don't see a problem. > Now, Gandi will raise the prices of the Standard mailbox plan from €0.35/month to €3.99/month per mailbox, a 1040% increase. The Premium plan will go from €1.75/month to €5.99/month, a 242% increase.
- Chatting 3y ago
  I don't find the "it's only a couple of euros/dollars/pounds" argument terribly convincing. A 10x increase is a 10x increase. It adds up quickly. Should businesses, e.g. supermarkets, raise prices by 10x for items below a certain threshold? What should that threshold be? Or, what about AWS? They charge something like $0.10/GB for egress. Should they start charging $1/GB? I'm being frivolous of course, but I'm sure among Gandi's customers there's gotta be someone who uses a lot of mailboxes and is therefore going to be significantly impacted from this. > as long as they give enough notice I don't see a problem They gave a month's notice. Whether that's enough, I suppose that depends on how many "products" (domains, mailboxes, hosted sites, etc.) you'd have to migrate.
- cmcaleer 3y ago
  Say you’re providing standard email to a family of 6. Your yearly bills are €25.2. Now, your bills are €288 per year, for the same service, basically overnight, without even beginning to consider other price raises by Gandi and general inflation. If you don’t have a ton of disposable income that’s kinda brutal and you don’t have a lot of time to work this out.
Cpoll 3y ago
The title is a bit clickbaity. The thing most people associate Gandi with, domain name registration, is going up 25-50%. The 1000% is this: > Now, Gandi will raise the prices of the Standard mailbox plan from €0.35/month to €3.99/month per mailbox, a 1040% increase.
- zie 3y ago
  25-50% for domain names is too much for me, I'm switching to pork bun as my domains come up for renewal.
  - schroeding 3y ago
    The pricing structure is now quite incomparable to most other registrars, e.g. .dev, .de and .cyou now all cost the same 24 Euros / year, which appears to be their new price floor now. 24 Euros for .de, one of the cheapest ccTLDs, is almost daylight robbery, IMO.
- acomjean 3y ago
  Its the choose the number that make things look worse. If the article stated it increased €43 Euros a year, it doesn't sound as bad. Its still a large increase, but not as jaw dropping as the % makes it seem.
  - sieabahlpark 3y ago
    [dead]
- pavon 3y ago
  Yeah, that's not an unreasonable price. Just ticking off the features (which doesn't tell the whole story) Gandi's email service provides something between fastmail's $3 and $5 plans, and similar to protonmail's $3.99 plan. That €0.35/month plan was a steal. Most places don't even offer backup store-and-forward SMTP for that let alone full email hosting. Of course, now that they are pricing themselves the same as their competitors they will be held to the same standard, and we'll see how that holds up.
bitdivision 3y ago
Gandi was bought out earlier this year leading to discontinuation of free mailboxes [0]. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35080777 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35080777
- sacnoradhq 3y ago
  Fuck. Gandi was my go-to privacy-conscious domain registrar. What viable alternatives exist that aren't cash-grabbing vultures and aren't beholden to US globalist interests?
  - bitdivision 3y ago
    Porkbun [0] is often recommended. Based in the US though. 0: https://porkbun.com/ https://porkbun.com/
    - reustle 3y ago
      The team at https://iwantmyname.com/ https://iwantmyname.com/ always seemed small and friendly, and they’re based in NZ
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benoliver999 3y ago
I'm glad I jumped ship when they got bought out by a shady company with a history of price gouging. I like porkbun for personal stuff, dnsimple for work
californical 3y ago
I left Gandi a year or so ago with the couple of domains that I had there, since they had a decent markup over cloudflare’s wholesale pricing. Was easier than expected to port my config — I was especially nervous about the nameserver config since I use one of those domains for my primary email address everywhere. But yeah totally smooth, there is almost zero friction to change domain registrars… I’m surprised that companies can mark up on pricing at all without their margins getting entirely competed away to nearly zero
cachvico 3y ago
Curious if this will impact AWS pricing, as I believe Gandi is one of the main providers behind Route 53.
- CydeWeys 3y ago
  I assume that pricing will be covered by a contract between Amazon and Gandi, that is not affected by this recent announcement. And that if Gandi increases prices on Amazon a lot in the future when the contract comes up for renewal, Amazon would simply switch to a different reseller.
- nilespotter 3y ago
  I would have assumed Amazon did that themselves? Amazon Registrar, Inc. is ICANN accredited.
  - bragr 3y ago
    It seems they have a relationship per AWS's docs [1] for handling certain TLDs. In particular this calls out using Gandi to verify transfer of .*.uk domains. I'd be very surprised, however, if that that deal is tied to consumer pricing. [1] https://docs.aws.amazon.com/Route53/latest/DeveloperGuide/domain-transfer-to-route-53.html#domain-transfer-to-route-53-change-registrar-settings https://docs.aws.amazon.com/Route53/latest/DeveloperGuide/do...
  - CydeWeys 3y ago
    Yes but it's a lot of work to integrate with literally over a hundred different TLD registries to provide full spectrum domain registration coverage. And it's not just technically difficult; there's lots of work to do from a legal/biz dev standpoint as well. Much easier to integrate with a reseller and have them do a lot of that for you. Then you can only worry about the big ones (e.g. Verisign for .com), and maybe slowly onboard to additional ones over time.
vel0city 3y ago
I just completed my email migration away from Gandi this weekend. I figured if I had to really start paying for it, I might as well get something better than their offering or move to something cheaper. If I'm paying ~$4/mo per user, it really starts to seem worth it to spring to something that offers a lot more for similar pricing. Then there's lots of services out there which offer cheaper prices with more features. For truly just a basic mailbox <$1/account can make some sense, but basic email only for that price is crazy steep. I ended up migrating to Zoho. It took about an hour getting accounts set up, DNS records changed, and data migrated. Importing data through IMAP went really smoothly. I probably could have gotten by on the free tier but a few family users didn't want to use the apps and preferred the Exchange ActiveSync functionality to have a more system-native experience on platforms like Android and Windows. So far, so good.
- jcul 3y ago
  I've been using mxroute to host some email for my family and random automation stuff for the past while. Really happy with them, I'm paying 15 USD a year on a recurring black Friday deal. I think that has 50GB storage, which is fine for my usecase. They have unlimited mail accounts, which is great, as some family members might only send or receive a handful of emails a month...
  - Nadya 3y ago
    Another option is Purely Mail [0] which is who I'll be using if running my own Mail-in-a-box turns out to be a bit too much. It could end up being cheaper than mxroute depending on your needs. [0] https://purelymail.com/ https://purelymail.com/
    - jcul 3y ago
      Looks like a great option too, thanks.
chunk_waffle 3y ago
I've been a Gandi customer for over a decade. I'm willing to shell out the $4/month (for now) I get it, they have to make money. But when the aliases are no longer free: I'm out. Having a backup plan isn't a horrible idea either... might give mail-in-a-box a try.
Animats 3y ago
And I'd migrated almost all my domains from Network Solutions to Gandi, after NS was bought by those guys in Florida. Who's left that's good? An appeal of Gandi is that they do not take the position that they own domains, and the registrant just rents them. Gandi used to be clearer on this. 2004 terms: "The Client owns the Domain Name registered. Gandi simply acts on the Client's behalf."[1] That page disappeared some time prior to 2008. Here are the terms from 2015. "You are the owner of the domain name, meaning that You are the person or the legal representative of a legal entity that has been declared as the owner of a domain name upon its registration, and visible in the public Whois database,...)."[2] Wordier, but not too bad. In the current version, that explicit ownership language has disappeared. There's a definition of terms that says: "Contact Owner: refers to the natural or legal person identified by the Registry as the owner of the domain name."[3] But no explicit statement of ownership. The termination clause allows Gandi to terminate only for breach of contract, not at will. Compare Network Solutions, which is part of "Web.com": "Registrant acknowledges and agrees that Web.com has the absolute right and power, in its sole discretion and without any liability to Registrant whatsoever, to suspend the Services, close Registrant's account, terminate provisioning of the Services, list Registrant's personal information in the WHOIS output or unmask or otherwise provide the Registrant's personal information to a claimant or other party to resolve any and all third party claims, whether threatened or made, arising out of Registrant's use of the Domain Name or the Services, or to take any other action which Web.com deems necessary, in the event that (i) the Domain Name is alleged to violate or infringe a third party's trademark, trade name, copyright interests or other legal rights of third parties; (ii) Registrant breaches any provision of this Agreement; (iii) Registrant breaches any provision of the Registrar Terms; (d) if necessary to protect the integrity and stability of the applicable Domain Name registry; (e) if necessary to comply with any applicable laws, government rules or requirements, subpoenas, court orders or requests of law enforcement; (f) if Web.com is named as a defendant in, or investigated in anticipation of, any legal or administrative proceeding arising out of Registrant's use of the Services or Domain Name; (g) if necessary to comply with ICANN's Dispute Resolution Policy or other policies promulgated by ICANN (including policies which may preclude using a service such as Private Domain Registration); (h) if necessary to avoid any financial loss or legal liability (civil or criminal) on the part of Web.com, its parent companies, subsidiaries, affiliates, shareholders, agents, officers, directors and employees; or (i) any violation of the Web.com Acceptable Use Policy."[4] Um. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20041206084659/http://gandi.net/contract.en.txt https://web.archive.org/web/20041206084659/http://gandi.net/... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20141203012738/http://www.gandi.net/static/contracts/fr/g1/pdf/conditions_nom_de_domaine_US_1.0.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20141203012738/http://www.gandi.... [3] https://contract.gandi.net/v5/contracts/53904/DomainNameConditions_US_2023.0_en.pdf https://contract.gandi.net/v5/contracts/53904/DomainNameCond... [4] https://assets.web.com/legal/English/DomainNameRegistrationServices.pdf https://assets.web.com/legal/English/DomainNameRegistrationS...
LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
It’s 2023 and I still see lots of comments in this thread asking things “who is still good”, “who hasn’t sold out yet”, etc. etc. How many more years need to go by before we all acknowledge the truth? We are not guaranteed fixed pricing and we do not “own” anything in this environment. Legal terms and marketing “guarantees” are all as malleable as the code that backs the product. This is a fundamental reality of working on the web. Every time I see someone angrily copy and paste a company quote of some kind, I chuckle a little because that’s someone who still believes that companies all mean what they say all the time. Companies mean what they say today to make money today, that’s it. As soon as today’s messaging no longer satisfies the profit motive, everything changes. The most successful companies are the ones that are able to raise prices without upsetting people’s expectations.
tatersolid 3y ago
This is why I switched all my $dayjob domains to Hover years ago. They charge 15-50USD/year depending on the TLD and its fees. No bullshit, no ads, no cross-sell, friendly Canadian support. You get what you pay for. I want my registrar to have a sustainable business model so they don’t screw me over. A domain name is a critical SPOF for any business.
sacnoradhq 3y ago
I've used Gandi for ~15 years. I don't care about their VPSes, email boxes, web hosting, or anything else. All I cared about was the privacy, anonymity, and integrity of their domain registrar service with sensible prices. Now that they appear to have completely sold out to corporate interests and are on the price-price-profit spiral train, I'm wondering what alternatives exist.
thegeekpirate 3y ago
Always use https://tld-list.com https://tld-list.com to find the registrar with the cheapest renewal rate.

116 points by Chatting 3y ago

If they have to raise prices to... $5/mo, to me that sounds like a part of their " no bs" policy. To me, 35c/mo doesn't exactly sound like a service I should be trusting with something like emails. $5/mo won't exactly break the bank either.

cardosof 3y ago

I used to really like Gandi. I still have a t-shirt with their #no_bullshit slogan that's from 2015-16. It's been a couple of years since I stopped having any need for their services, and its sad to see them dropping the ball like this.

LapsangGuzzler 3y ago

> Now, Gandi will raise the prices of the Standard mailbox plan from €0.35/month to €3.99/month per mailbox, a 1040% increase. This headline reads as if the company is just destroying customer wallets a La Reddit API customers until you get into the details. There are premium email clients that charge way more than EUR3.99 per month.

IMTDb 3y ago
Reddit API costs along the line of €2.50/month for providing read/write access to terabytes of targeted content. Less than the new Gandi pricing for a mailbox.
- buildbot 3y ago
  No, it costs much, much more if you actually tried to read out terabytes of content…
- sieabahlpark 3y ago
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null-shell 3y ago

Whats a good alternative now, I have a few domains with them..

tomschwiha 3y ago
I like OVH for domains
lolinder 3y ago
I'm very happy with Namecheap. The prices are very reasonable (though I confess I have never really shopped around), the UI is functional and largely gets out of your way and lets you do what you want.
yawnxyz 3y ago
Lots of people on HN hate Cloudflare... but they're pretty good on prices, UI, and "just works"ness. Their support is also speedy.
- pierat 3y ago
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  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    > They cater to nazies, white nationalists, and booters Do they actually, or do they just have a service for anyone?
    - rodgerd 3y ago
      Well, they fight tooth-and-nail to keep crims and fascists online, but they pre-emptively kick sex workers. What does that tell you?
      - nilespotter 3y ago
        Literally why I use them.

Nadya 3y ago

Was only a matter of time after Gandi was sold off. It made me migrate all of my emails to a self-hosted solution using Mail-in-a-box. I'm also looking for another registrar that handles .me and .ru domains without going through Cloudflare. So far no luck. So my domains will cost me a little more to renew next time it comes time to renew them.

rammer 3y ago

Click bait title. 1000% when the real story is an increase of 3 euro? Bs, the company decided they can't discount and as long as they give enough notice I don't see a problem. > Now, Gandi will raise the prices of the Standard mailbox plan from €0.35/month to €3.99/month per mailbox, a 1040% increase. The Premium plan will go from €1.75/month to €5.99/month, a 242% increase.

Chatting 3y ago
I don't find the "it's only a couple of euros/dollars/pounds" argument terribly convincing. A 10x increase is a 10x increase. It adds up quickly. Should businesses, e.g. supermarkets, raise prices by 10x for items below a certain threshold? What should that threshold be? Or, what about AWS? They charge something like $0.10/GB for egress. Should they start charging $1/GB? I'm being frivolous of course, but I'm sure among Gandi's customers there's gotta be someone who uses a lot of mailboxes and is therefore going to be significantly impacted from this. > as long as they give enough notice I don't see a problem They gave a month's notice. Whether that's enough, I suppose that depends on how many "products" (domains, mailboxes, hosted sites, etc.) you'd have to migrate.
cmcaleer 3y ago
Say you’re providing standard email to a family of 6. Your yearly bills are €25.2. Now, your bills are €288 per year, for the same service, basically overnight, without even beginning to consider other price raises by Gandi and general inflation. If you don’t have a ton of disposable income that’s kinda brutal and you don’t have a lot of time to work this out.

Cpoll 3y ago

The title is a bit clickbaity. The thing most people associate Gandi with, domain name registration, is going up 25-50%. The 1000% is this: > Now, Gandi will raise the prices of the Standard mailbox plan from €0.35/month to €3.99/month per mailbox, a 1040% increase.

zie 3y ago
25-50% for domain names is too much for me, I'm switching to pork bun as my domains come up for renewal.
- schroeding 3y ago
  The pricing structure is now quite incomparable to most other registrars, e.g. .dev, .de and .cyou now all cost the same 24 Euros / year, which appears to be their new price floor now. 24 Euros for .de, one of the cheapest ccTLDs, is almost daylight robbery, IMO.
acomjean 3y ago
Its the choose the number that make things look worse. If the article stated it increased €43 Euros a year, it doesn't sound as bad. Its still a large increase, but not as jaw dropping as the % makes it seem.
- sieabahlpark 3y ago
  [dead]
pavon 3y ago
Yeah, that's not an unreasonable price. Just ticking off the features (which doesn't tell the whole story) Gandi's email service provides something between fastmail's $3 and $5 plans, and similar to protonmail's $3.99 plan. That €0.35/month plan was a steal. Most places don't even offer backup store-and-forward SMTP for that let alone full email hosting. Of course, now that they are pricing themselves the same as their competitors they will be held to the same standard, and we'll see how that holds up.

bitdivision 3y ago

Gandi was bought out earlier this year leading to discontinuation of free mailboxes [0]. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35080777 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35080777

sacnoradhq 3y ago
Fuck. Gandi was my go-to privacy-conscious domain registrar. What viable alternatives exist that aren't cash-grabbing vultures and aren't beholden to US globalist interests?
- bitdivision 3y ago
  Porkbun [0] is often recommended. Based in the US though. 0: https://porkbun.com/ https://porkbun.com/
  - reustle 3y ago
    The team at https://iwantmyname.com/ https://iwantmyname.com/ always seemed small and friendly, and they’re based in NZ

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benoliver999 3y ago

I'm glad I jumped ship when they got bought out by a shady company with a history of price gouging. I like porkbun for personal stuff, dnsimple for work

californical 3y ago

I left Gandi a year or so ago with the couple of domains that I had there, since they had a decent markup over cloudflare’s wholesale pricing. Was easier than expected to port my config — I was especially nervous about the nameserver config since I use one of those domains for my primary email address everywhere. But yeah totally smooth, there is almost zero friction to change domain registrars… I’m surprised that companies can mark up on pricing at all without their margins getting entirely competed away to nearly zero

cachvico 3y ago

Curious if this will impact AWS pricing, as I believe Gandi is one of the main providers behind Route 53.

CydeWeys 3y ago
I assume that pricing will be covered by a contract between Amazon and Gandi, that is not affected by this recent announcement. And that if Gandi increases prices on Amazon a lot in the future when the contract comes up for renewal, Amazon would simply switch to a different reseller.
nilespotter 3y ago
I would have assumed Amazon did that themselves? Amazon Registrar, Inc. is ICANN accredited.
- bragr 3y ago
  It seems they have a relationship per AWS's docs [1] for handling certain TLDs. In particular this calls out using Gandi to verify transfer of .*.uk domains. I'd be very surprised, however, if that that deal is tied to consumer pricing. [1] https://docs.aws.amazon.com/Route53/latest/DeveloperGuide/domain-transfer-to-route-53.html#domain-transfer-to-route-53-change-registrar-settings https://docs.aws.amazon.com/Route53/latest/DeveloperGuide/do...
- CydeWeys 3y ago
  Yes but it's a lot of work to integrate with literally over a hundred different TLD registries to provide full spectrum domain registration coverage. And it's not just technically difficult; there's lots of work to do from a legal/biz dev standpoint as well. Much easier to integrate with a reseller and have them do a lot of that for you. Then you can only worry about the big ones (e.g. Verisign for .com), and maybe slowly onboard to additional ones over time.

vel0city 3y ago

I just completed my email migration away from Gandi this weekend. I figured if I had to really start paying for it, I might as well get something better than their offering or move to something cheaper. If I'm paying ~$4/mo per user, it really starts to seem worth it to spring to something that offers a lot more for similar pricing. Then there's lots of services out there which offer cheaper prices with more features. For truly just a basic mailbox <$1/account can make some sense, but basic email only for that price is crazy steep. I ended up migrating to Zoho. It took about an hour getting accounts set up, DNS records changed, and data migrated. Importing data through IMAP went really smoothly. I probably could have gotten by on the free tier but a few family users didn't want to use the apps and preferred the Exchange ActiveSync functionality to have a more system-native experience on platforms like Android and Windows. So far, so good.

jcul 3y ago
I've been using mxroute to host some email for my family and random automation stuff for the past while. Really happy with them, I'm paying 15 USD a year on a recurring black Friday deal. I think that has 50GB storage, which is fine for my usecase. They have unlimited mail accounts, which is great, as some family members might only send or receive a handful of emails a month...
- Nadya 3y ago
  Another option is Purely Mail [0] which is who I'll be using if running my own Mail-in-a-box turns out to be a bit too much. It could end up being cheaper than mxroute depending on your needs. [0] https://purelymail.com/ https://purelymail.com/
  - jcul 3y ago
    Looks like a great option too, thanks.

chunk_waffle 3y ago

I've been a Gandi customer for over a decade. I'm willing to shell out the $4/month (for now) I get it, they have to make money. But when the aliases are no longer free: I'm out. Having a backup plan isn't a horrible idea either... might give mail-in-a-box a try.

Animats 3y ago

And I'd migrated almost all my domains from Network Solutions to Gandi, after NS was bought by those guys in Florida. Who's left that's good? An appeal of Gandi is that they do not take the position that they own domains, and the registrant just rents them. Gandi used to be clearer on this. 2004 terms: "The Client owns the Domain Name registered. Gandi simply acts on the Client's behalf."[1] That page disappeared some time prior to 2008. Here are the terms from 2015. "You are the owner of the domain name, meaning that You are the person or the legal representative of a legal entity that has been declared as the owner of a domain name upon its registration, and visible in the public Whois database,...)."[2] Wordier, but not too bad. In the current version, that explicit ownership language has disappeared. There's a definition of terms that says: "Contact Owner: refers to the natural or legal person identified by the Registry as the owner of the domain name."[3] But no explicit statement of ownership. The termination clause allows Gandi to terminate only for breach of contract, not at will. Compare Network Solutions, which is part of "Web.com": "Registrant acknowledges and agrees that Web.com has the absolute right and power, in its sole discretion and without any liability to Registrant whatsoever, to suspend the Services, close Registrant's account, terminate provisioning of the Services, list Registrant's personal information in the WHOIS output or unmask or otherwise provide the Registrant's personal information to a claimant or other party to resolve any and all third party claims, whether threatened or made, arising out of Registrant's use of the Domain Name or the Services, or to take any other action which Web.com deems necessary, in the event that (i) the Domain Name is alleged to violate or infringe a third party's trademark, trade name, copyright interests or other legal rights of third parties; (ii) Registrant breaches any provision of this Agreement; (iii) Registrant breaches any provision of the Registrar Terms; (d) if necessary to protect the integrity and stability of the applicable Domain Name registry; (e) if necessary to comply with any applicable laws, government rules or requirements, subpoenas, court orders or requests of law enforcement; (f) if Web.com is named as a defendant in, or investigated in anticipation of, any legal or administrative proceeding arising out of Registrant's use of the Services or Domain Name; (g) if necessary to comply with ICANN's Dispute Resolution Policy or other policies promulgated by ICANN (including policies which may preclude using a service such as Private Domain Registration); (h) if necessary to avoid any financial loss or legal liability (civil or criminal) on the part of Web.com, its parent companies, subsidiaries, affiliates, shareholders, agents, officers, directors and employees; or (i) any violation of the Web.com Acceptable Use Policy."[4] Um. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20041206084659/http://gandi.net/contract.en.txt https://web.archive.org/web/20041206084659/http://gandi.net/... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20141203012738/http://www.gandi.net/static/contracts/fr/g1/pdf/conditions_nom_de_domaine_US_1.0.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20141203012738/http://www.gandi.... [3] https://contract.gandi.net/v5/contracts/53904/DomainNameConditions_US_2023.0_en.pdf https://contract.gandi.net/v5/contracts/53904/DomainNameCond... [4] https://assets.web.com/legal/English/DomainNameRegistrationServices.pdf https://assets.web.com/legal/English/DomainNameRegistrationS...

LapsangGuzzler 3y ago

It’s 2023 and I still see lots of comments in this thread asking things “who is still good”, “who hasn’t sold out yet”, etc. etc. How many more years need to go by before we all acknowledge the truth? We are not guaranteed fixed pricing and we do not “own” anything in this environment. Legal terms and marketing “guarantees” are all as malleable as the code that backs the product. This is a fundamental reality of working on the web. Every time I see someone angrily copy and paste a company quote of some kind, I chuckle a little because that’s someone who still believes that companies all mean what they say all the time. Companies mean what they say today to make money today, that’s it. As soon as today’s messaging no longer satisfies the profit motive, everything changes. The most successful companies are the ones that are able to raise prices without upsetting people’s expectations.

tatersolid 3y ago

This is why I switched all my $dayjob domains to Hover years ago. They charge 15-50USD/year depending on the TLD and its fees. No bullshit, no ads, no cross-sell, friendly Canadian support. You get what you pay for. I want my registrar to have a sustainable business model so they don’t screw me over. A domain name is a critical SPOF for any business.

sacnoradhq 3y ago

I've used Gandi for ~15 years. I don't care about their VPSes, email boxes, web hosting, or anything else. All I cared about was the privacy, anonymity, and integrity of their domain registrar service with sensible prices. Now that they appear to have completely sold out to corporate interests and are on the price-price-profit spiral train, I'm wondering what alternatives exist.

thegeekpirate 3y ago

Always use https://tld-list.com https://tld-list.com to find the registrar with the cheapest renewal rate.