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What is your point? He deserved to be murdered? This seems irrelevant, “he likely was maybe guilty of something…” and?

expertentipp 3y ago
17 years old driving recklessly a sport car with foreign license plates, running away from the police. The situation strongly points he is linked to drug dealing, financial scam, car thievery, or all of them. What measures are expected in such situation, what was he expecting to happen?
- q87b 3y ago
  None of these alleged offenses justify punishment without a trial. None of them justify death.
  - stronglikedan 3y ago
    Death may not be justified, but neither were his actions. He put himself in a position where this could be an outcome. I'm not saying it was justified, but it did start with him, not the police. The mere act of skydiving doesn't justify death, but it is a possible outcome nonetheless.
    - giraffe_lady 3y ago
      Police aren't a force a nature. A cop made a decision here too.
    - hagbarth 3y ago
      I live in a country where being shot by the police absolutely _could not_ be an outcome unless you pose an immediate danger.
    - TuringNYC 3y ago
      >> The mere act of skydiving doesn't justify death, but it is a possible outcome nonetheless. Similarly, the mere act of driving with a broken tail-light doesn't justify death, but it is a possible outcome. Now...if someone comes and shoots you and kills you, that doesn't make it right. Similarly, if someone comes and shoots a sky-diver and kills them, that is also not right, even if there was a possibility of death.
- proxysna 3y ago
  > The situation strongly points he is linked to drug dealing, financial scam, car thievery How does it point to that? And does that justify murder?
  - expertentipp 3y ago
    Few weeks ago a Polish man was choked to death by 10 Dutch police officers [1] for...running away on a bicycle, and no on bat an eye. I guess this is the new normal? [1] https://nltimes.nl/2023/06/10/32-year-old-man-dies-arrest-stun-gun-rotterdam https://nltimes.nl/2023/06/10/32-year-old-man-dies-arrest-st...
    - proxysna 3y ago
      Does that mean that other deaths should not be protested?
      - self_awareness 3y ago
        Does riding a bicycle with a working chainsaw on a leash sound like a rational protesting technique? https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=qUutjFQ3y_U https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=qUutjFQ3y_U
        proxysna 3y ago
        Yes. Yellow vests protested peacefully and that yielded nil. Pension reform was protested peacefully and that yielded nil. Anything that makes establishment scared is a valid protesting technique.
        self_awareness 3y ago
        I hope you'll manage to jump quickly enough before it will chop off your legs.
  - pauldenton 3y ago
- aloisdg 3y ago
  Not being murder.
- hagbarth 3y ago
  > What measures are expected in such situation Catch him and run a due process.
steve76 3y ago
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mytailorisrich 3y ago
We don't know what happened and an investigation in on-going. If police draw their weapon and you try to run them over, IMHO suddenly things do not look exactly like "police brutality", for instance, so let's wait and see.

17 years old driving recklessly a sport car with foreign license plates, running away from the police. The situation strongly points he is linked to drug dealing, financial scam, car thievery, or all of them. What measures are expected in such situation, what was he expecting to happen?

q87b 3y ago
None of these alleged offenses justify punishment without a trial. None of them justify death.
- stronglikedan 3y ago
  Death may not be justified, but neither were his actions. He put himself in a position where this could be an outcome. I'm not saying it was justified, but it did start with him, not the police. The mere act of skydiving doesn't justify death, but it is a possible outcome nonetheless.
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
    Police aren't a force a nature. A cop made a decision here too.
  - hagbarth 3y ago
    I live in a country where being shot by the police absolutely _could not_ be an outcome unless you pose an immediate danger.
  - TuringNYC 3y ago
    >> The mere act of skydiving doesn't justify death, but it is a possible outcome nonetheless. Similarly, the mere act of driving with a broken tail-light doesn't justify death, but it is a possible outcome. Now...if someone comes and shoots you and kills you, that doesn't make it right. Similarly, if someone comes and shoots a sky-diver and kills them, that is also not right, even if there was a possibility of death.
proxysna 3y ago
> The situation strongly points he is linked to drug dealing, financial scam, car thievery How does it point to that? And does that justify murder?
- expertentipp 3y ago
  Few weeks ago a Polish man was choked to death by 10 Dutch police officers [1] for...running away on a bicycle, and no on bat an eye. I guess this is the new normal? [1] https://nltimes.nl/2023/06/10/32-year-old-man-dies-arrest-stun-gun-rotterdam https://nltimes.nl/2023/06/10/32-year-old-man-dies-arrest-st...
  - proxysna 3y ago
    Does that mean that other deaths should not be protested?
    - self_awareness 3y ago
      Does riding a bicycle with a working chainsaw on a leash sound like a rational protesting technique? https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=qUutjFQ3y_U https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=qUutjFQ3y_U
      - proxysna 3y ago
        Yes. Yellow vests protested peacefully and that yielded nil. Pension reform was protested peacefully and that yielded nil. Anything that makes establishment scared is a valid protesting technique.
        self_awareness 3y ago
        I hope you'll manage to jump quickly enough before it will chop off your legs.
- pauldenton 3y ago
aloisdg 3y ago
Not being murder.
hagbarth 3y ago
> What measures are expected in such situation Catch him and run a due process.

steve76 3y ago

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mytailorisrich 3y ago

We don't know what happened and an investigation in on-going. If police draw their weapon and you try to run them over, IMHO suddenly things do not look exactly like "police brutality", for instance, so let's wait and see.