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And there's nothing that's particularly prohibitive about doing that remotely. You can't just call a bunch of dot points like "on boarding" refuting what I wrot

And there's nothing that's particularly prohibitive about doing that remotely. You can't just call a bunch of dot points like "on boarding" refuting what I wrote. Sure it's what you might read in your CEO's email or whatever, but that doesn't make it true.

n4r9 3y ago
The point you seem to be making - that remote working is a cinch as long as all the managers already know what they need to do and how to do it - is both correct and missing the point. Studies in the UK demonstrate that feeling isolated and making connections with colleagues in a remote environment is a major concern for younger employees: https://universumglobal.com/blog/the-leadership-gap-young-workers-most-concerned-remote-work-will-impact-career-success/ https://universumglobal.com/blog/the-leadership-gap-young-wo... This is an organisational issue which isn't solved just by making tools like email and calendar available.
- throwawaylinux 3y ago
  That's not the point I'm making and I have to say it's pretty outlandish if it seems that way to you. The point I'm making is that it's not because an organization is "not ready" that remote work is not permitted. Implying there is some set of steps or purchases they need to make and then they are ready. It's because the people who can make the decision don't want to. I thought that I repeatedly made it clear that I made no value judgement on the remote work and didn't claim that is a bad decision to make.
  - n4r9 3y ago
    You've consistently asserted that most companies would find it easy to switch to remote work. I absolutely disagree with this. At least I disagree that most companies can do so and be confident of maintaining productivity. I believe it requires a big shift in organisational and operational processes and attitudes within the company.
    - throwawaylinux 3y ago
      No I haven't, and "easy" is not a well defined term here. What I said is that it's not a matter of being ready or not, it's a matter of choosing to or not. And lots of companies can and actually did choose to do that at very short order when covid was causing shutdowns, so if you want to make extraordinary claims to the contrary then you'll need to bring a lot of evidence.

n4r9 3y ago

The point you seem to be making - that remote working is a cinch as long as all the managers already know what they need to do and how to do it - is both correct and missing the point. Studies in the UK demonstrate that feeling isolated and making connections with colleagues in a remote environment is a major concern for younger employees: https://universumglobal.com/blog/the-leadership-gap-young-workers-most-concerned-remote-work-will-impact-career-success/ https://universumglobal.com/blog/the-leadership-gap-young-wo... This is an organisational issue which isn't solved just by making tools like email and calendar available.

throwawaylinux 3y ago
That's not the point I'm making and I have to say it's pretty outlandish if it seems that way to you. The point I'm making is that it's not because an organization is "not ready" that remote work is not permitted. Implying there is some set of steps or purchases they need to make and then they are ready. It's because the people who can make the decision don't want to. I thought that I repeatedly made it clear that I made no value judgement on the remote work and didn't claim that is a bad decision to make.
- n4r9 3y ago
  You've consistently asserted that most companies would find it easy to switch to remote work. I absolutely disagree with this. At least I disagree that most companies can do so and be confident of maintaining productivity. I believe it requires a big shift in organisational and operational processes and attitudes within the company.
  - throwawaylinux 3y ago
    No I haven't, and "easy" is not a well defined term here. What I said is that it's not a matter of being ready or not, it's a matter of choosing to or not. And lots of companies can and actually did choose to do that at very short order when covid was causing shutdowns, so if you want to make extraordinary claims to the contrary then you'll need to bring a lot of evidence.