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With physical access, sure. The same could be said for shutdown with physical access. Nothing stopping the user without group membership from holding down the p

With physical access, sure. The same could be said for shutdown with physical access. Nothing stopping the user without group membership from holding down the power button or unplugging the kettle cable.

implements 3y ago
Grumbles something about standard computer power cables (IEC 60320 C13) not being ‘kettle leads’ (IEC 60320 C15) … Though you can use actual high-temp rated kettle leads if you like - they fit and are safe in C14 sockets.
- Gordonjcp 3y ago
  You mean your computer's PSU doesn't need a 120°C rated plug? Bro do you even CUDA?
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    When you "CUDA" the heat is the least of your problems. Did you ever see a single core copper cable become brittle like crackers?
- didroe 3y ago
  In the UK and Ireland (and maybe elsewhere?), a kettle lead is actually C13. I guess you need a beefier cable/pins in the US, as you're drawing more current at a lower voltage. Most kettles now have a base with an integrated cable though, so the name doesn't really correspond with the cable's most common usage any more.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - JdeBP 3y ago
    I had a friend who was easily teased by this, but he was quite right, and you are wrong. Kettle leads in the U.K. have never been C13, and "kettle lead" for a C13 power lead is a misnomer just as much in the U.K. as it is elsewhere. When kettle power cords weren't captive, as they are nowadays, they weren't C13. Non-captive kettle cords from the middle 20th century were round pin, for starters, and not like the (later) IEC standard at all. Here's a round-pin electric kettle from the 1960s, for example: https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-02510 https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-02510 And "hot condition" or "high current" leads for other devices are not C13 now. Here's a high current power lead from Toolstation, for example: https://www.toolstation.com/uk-plug-to-hot-iec-lead/p21431?utm_source=hackernews https://www.toolstation.com/uk-plug-to-hot-iec-lead/p21431?u... It's mis-labelled "C13" but it's clearly a C15 with a notch. Contrast with an actual C13 lead from Toolstation: https://www.toolstation.com/uk-plug-to-iec-lead/p29256?utm_source=hackernews https://www.toolstation.com/uk-plug-to-iec-lead/p29256?utm_s... Here's a hot condition power lead from BKA, for another example, which is again a C15: https://www.bka.co.uk/iec-c15-hot-condition-power-leads https://www.bka.co.uk/iec-c15-hot-condition-power-leads
    - quietbritishjim 3y ago
      That first link doesn't support your point. No one would claim that all kettles ever sold in the UK have C13 cables. (No one would even claim that none use C15 – after all, some companies will surely just use the same design across all markets if possible.) This particular kettle is before C13 and C15 were even standardised. The website it's from has a fair number of kettles from the relevant time period (1980s and early 90s). These two (which seem to be variants of the same model) [1,2] have an OKish view of the power connector and look more likely to fit C13 than C15 from what I can make out (no notch). This one [3] is clearly for C15 though, but as I say it's not a surprise that some exist. [1] https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-001258 https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-001258 [2] https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-02488 https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-02488 [3] https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-003345 https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-003345
      - JdeBP 3y ago
        On the contrary, it supports exactly the point made in the preceding paragraph, which even pointed out that the IEC standard came later. The phrase "Should have gone to Specsavers!" comes to mind. All three of your examples clearly have notched connectors. Two have the notches at the top, and the Russell Hobbs one has the notch at the bottom. Their kettle leads were not C13. So to repeat: When kettle power cords weren't captive, as they are nowadays, they weren't C13. I've already given an example of a kettle preceding the standard that didn't take anything like a C13 connector, and in vainly arguing against that you've ironically produced three more examples of kettles from later decades whose kettle leads were also not C13. Here's yet another one, where the lead itself is in the picture. It's not C13. * https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-1970s-80s-haden-ak3-electric-1778672156 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-1970s-80s-had... If there had been examples of kettle leads that were C13, I'd have long since used them to really tease my late friend. But kettle leads in the U.K. have never been C13, and my late friend was right that "kettle lead" for a C13 power lead is a misnomer in the U.K.. * https://www.specsavers.co.uk/book/location https://www.specsavers.co.uk/book/location (-:
  - drbawb 3y ago
    >I guess you need a beefier cable/pins in the US, as you're drawing more current at a lower voltage. No, we just accept slow-as-piss kettles.[1] (Our plugs aren't great, either, it's pretty common for a spark to jump the gap of the leads while you're plugging it in.) High wattage appliances here have an effective max of like 1.8kW on a single-phase 120V outlet, it makes for pretty useless space heaters and kettles. You could probably beat our kettles with an induction cooktop just by virtue of the stove being able to use two phases. Truly it's a tragedy for those of us addicted to our hot beverages. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yMMTVVJI4c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yMMTVVJI4c
    - dylan604 3y ago
      >it's pretty common for a spark to jump the gap of the leads while you're plugging it in. how are you plugging it in? Are you plugging the mains end into the wall before you plug the kettle end? That's truly bizarre to me, and goes against everything
    - overstay8930 3y ago
      > it's pretty common for a spark to jump the gap of the leads while you're plugging it in Do you live underwater?
    - wrs 3y ago
      Indeed, our new cooktop in “power boost” mode boils water ridiculously fast. Our kettle is embarrassed.
    - mplewis9z 3y ago
      > it's pretty common for a spark to jump the gap of the leads while you're plugging it in If you’re referring to seeing a spark while plugging something in, that’s just current jumping from the socket to the pin that’s entering it - it’s nowhere near possible for current to jump between the pins on a single plug (in air, at least). The distance between pins was specifically designed to prevent that possibility at the given voltages. Not saying our plugs aren’t poorly designed, just that that’s not one of their problems.
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    > In the UK and Ireland (and maybe elsewhere?) I think its just the UK and Ireland where there's a demand for "high performance" kettles. The rest of the world is condemned to waiting longer boiling periods due lower-wattage kettles. I've had a British expat audibly exasperated by my kettle.
- totetsu 3y ago
  My Japanese kettle has a MagSafe cord.
  - jraph 3y ago
    Does it have Find My Kettle?
    - totetsu 3y ago
      surprisingly that would have come in handy on more than one occasion.
      - deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
      - master-lincoln 3y ago
        [flagged]
        totetsu 3y ago
        Sorry I jumped ship from reddit 3 years ago and have been lowering the IQ ever since
        MrsPeaches 3y ago
        “Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.” https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        jraph 3y ago
        I have never posted on Reddit and barely read it. A little fun from time to time doesn't hurt too much, does it? HN can certainly sometime bring us a smile. My "you managed to make me smile" message has been upvoted 21 times so far. It's not a slippery slope, it has always been like this. If it were everywhere every time it would be annoying, but it's not the case.
- paradaux 3y ago
  As another post has commented, in Ireland we indeed use C13 cables, and it's pretty common to use this term for that here !
faangsticle 3y ago
What about wake on lan?
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  Poor Ian.
em-bee 3y ago
or type ctrl-alt-delete to start a reboot, if that's not been disabled.
- SoftTalker 3y ago
  I think at one point that caused a console message: "This isn't DOS" ctrl-alt-delete has not rebooted OpenBSD in a long time.
  - em-bee 3y ago
    i am not surprised. but the irony is that i'd prefer if someone trying to shut down my computer they would use ctrl-alt-del to initiate a clean shutdown/reboot instead of just pulling the power. in fact, if my GUI is stuck somehow, i'd want that for myself too. "This isn't DOS" is rather inconveniencing myself for the sake of purity. i have been there too when i was young.
    - throwawaymobule 3y ago
      if it is followed with the right process for shutdown, I think that message is good. (like vim telling you how to exit, if you hit ctrl-c) does BSD have sysreq commands like Linux?

implements 3y ago

Grumbles something about standard computer power cables (IEC 60320 C13) not being ‘kettle leads’ (IEC 60320 C15) … Though you can use actual high-temp rated kettle leads if you like - they fit and are safe in C14 sockets.

Gordonjcp 3y ago
You mean your computer's PSU doesn't need a 120°C rated plug? Bro do you even CUDA?
- bayindirh 3y ago
  When you "CUDA" the heat is the least of your problems. Did you ever see a single core copper cable become brittle like crackers?
didroe 3y ago
In the UK and Ireland (and maybe elsewhere?), a kettle lead is actually C13. I guess you need a beefier cable/pins in the US, as you're drawing more current at a lower voltage. Most kettles now have a base with an integrated cable though, so the name doesn't really correspond with the cable's most common usage any more.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- JdeBP 3y ago
  I had a friend who was easily teased by this, but he was quite right, and you are wrong. Kettle leads in the U.K. have never been C13, and "kettle lead" for a C13 power lead is a misnomer just as much in the U.K. as it is elsewhere. When kettle power cords weren't captive, as they are nowadays, they weren't C13. Non-captive kettle cords from the middle 20th century were round pin, for starters, and not like the (later) IEC standard at all. Here's a round-pin electric kettle from the 1960s, for example: https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-02510 https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-02510 And "hot condition" or "high current" leads for other devices are not C13 now. Here's a high current power lead from Toolstation, for example: https://www.toolstation.com/uk-plug-to-hot-iec-lead/p21431?utm_source=hackernews https://www.toolstation.com/uk-plug-to-hot-iec-lead/p21431?u... It's mis-labelled "C13" but it's clearly a C15 with a notch. Contrast with an actual C13 lead from Toolstation: https://www.toolstation.com/uk-plug-to-iec-lead/p29256?utm_source=hackernews https://www.toolstation.com/uk-plug-to-iec-lead/p29256?utm_s... Here's a hot condition power lead from BKA, for another example, which is again a C15: https://www.bka.co.uk/iec-c15-hot-condition-power-leads https://www.bka.co.uk/iec-c15-hot-condition-power-leads
  - quietbritishjim 3y ago
    That first link doesn't support your point. No one would claim that all kettles ever sold in the UK have C13 cables. (No one would even claim that none use C15 – after all, some companies will surely just use the same design across all markets if possible.) This particular kettle is before C13 and C15 were even standardised. The website it's from has a fair number of kettles from the relevant time period (1980s and early 90s). These two (which seem to be variants of the same model) [1,2] have an OKish view of the power connector and look more likely to fit C13 than C15 from what I can make out (no notch). This one [3] is clearly for C15 though, but as I say it's not a surprise that some exist. [1] https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-001258 https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-001258 [2] https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-02488 https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-02488 [3] https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-003345 https://www.modip.ac.uk/artefact/aibdc-003345
    - JdeBP 3y ago
      On the contrary, it supports exactly the point made in the preceding paragraph, which even pointed out that the IEC standard came later. The phrase "Should have gone to Specsavers!" comes to mind. All three of your examples clearly have notched connectors. Two have the notches at the top, and the Russell Hobbs one has the notch at the bottom. Their kettle leads were not C13. So to repeat: When kettle power cords weren't captive, as they are nowadays, they weren't C13. I've already given an example of a kettle preceding the standard that didn't take anything like a C13 connector, and in vainly arguing against that you've ironically produced three more examples of kettles from later decades whose kettle leads were also not C13. Here's yet another one, where the lead itself is in the picture. It's not C13. * https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-1970s-80s-haden-ak3-electric-1778672156 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-1970s-80s-had... If there had been examples of kettle leads that were C13, I'd have long since used them to really tease my late friend. But kettle leads in the U.K. have never been C13, and my late friend was right that "kettle lead" for a C13 power lead is a misnomer in the U.K.. * https://www.specsavers.co.uk/book/location https://www.specsavers.co.uk/book/location (-:
- drbawb 3y ago
  >I guess you need a beefier cable/pins in the US, as you're drawing more current at a lower voltage. No, we just accept slow-as-piss kettles.[1] (Our plugs aren't great, either, it's pretty common for a spark to jump the gap of the leads while you're plugging it in.) High wattage appliances here have an effective max of like 1.8kW on a single-phase 120V outlet, it makes for pretty useless space heaters and kettles. You could probably beat our kettles with an induction cooktop just by virtue of the stove being able to use two phases. Truly it's a tragedy for those of us addicted to our hot beverages. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yMMTVVJI4c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yMMTVVJI4c
  - dylan604 3y ago
    >it's pretty common for a spark to jump the gap of the leads while you're plugging it in. how are you plugging it in? Are you plugging the mains end into the wall before you plug the kettle end? That's truly bizarre to me, and goes against everything
  - overstay8930 3y ago
    > it's pretty common for a spark to jump the gap of the leads while you're plugging it in Do you live underwater?
  - wrs 3y ago
    Indeed, our new cooktop in “power boost” mode boils water ridiculously fast. Our kettle is embarrassed.
  - mplewis9z 3y ago
    > it's pretty common for a spark to jump the gap of the leads while you're plugging it in If you’re referring to seeing a spark while plugging something in, that’s just current jumping from the socket to the pin that’s entering it - it’s nowhere near possible for current to jump between the pins on a single plug (in air, at least). The distance between pins was specifically designed to prevent that possibility at the given voltages. Not saying our plugs aren’t poorly designed, just that that’s not one of their problems.
- sangnoir 3y ago
  > In the UK and Ireland (and maybe elsewhere?) I think its just the UK and Ireland where there's a demand for "high performance" kettles. The rest of the world is condemned to waiting longer boiling periods due lower-wattage kettles. I've had a British expat audibly exasperated by my kettle.
totetsu 3y ago
My Japanese kettle has a MagSafe cord.
- jraph 3y ago
  Does it have Find My Kettle?
  - totetsu 3y ago
    surprisingly that would have come in handy on more than one occasion.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - master-lincoln 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - totetsu 3y ago
        Sorry I jumped ship from reddit 3 years ago and have been lowering the IQ ever since
      - MrsPeaches 3y ago
        “Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.” https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - jraph 3y ago
        I have never posted on Reddit and barely read it. A little fun from time to time doesn't hurt too much, does it? HN can certainly sometime bring us a smile. My "you managed to make me smile" message has been upvoted 21 times so far. It's not a slippery slope, it has always been like this. If it were everywhere every time it would be annoying, but it's not the case.
paradaux 3y ago
As another post has commented, in Ireland we indeed use C13 cables, and it's pretty common to use this term for that here !

faangsticle 3y ago

What about wake on lan?

robertlagrant 3y ago
Poor Ian.

em-bee 3y ago

or type ctrl-alt-delete to start a reboot, if that's not been disabled.

SoftTalker 3y ago
I think at one point that caused a console message: "This isn't DOS" ctrl-alt-delete has not rebooted OpenBSD in a long time.
- em-bee 3y ago
  i am not surprised. but the irony is that i'd prefer if someone trying to shut down my computer they would use ctrl-alt-del to initiate a clean shutdown/reboot instead of just pulling the power. in fact, if my GUI is stuck somehow, i'd want that for myself too. "This isn't DOS" is rather inconveniencing myself for the sake of purity. i have been there too when i was young.
  - throwawaymobule 3y ago
    if it is followed with the right process for shutdown, I think that message is good. (like vim telling you how to exit, if you hit ctrl-c) does BSD have sysreq commands like Linux?