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There was no raid

Throw73849 3y ago
You ask them to leave, they do not... Unless the "security" recorded and streamed everything into cloud, very difficult to prove.
- deleted 3y ago
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- stale2002 3y ago
  No, actually. You cannot just shoot someone who is standing outside your doorway, And claim that they were trying to break in. You would go to jail.
  - nickthegreek 3y ago
    >You would go to jail. You could go to jail. In some state's in the US, it is by no way guaranteed.
  - Throw73849 3y ago
    Whatever. Coming into someones house to make threats is very stupid idea. One day I came into my kitchen, there is my wife crying, and three big threating guys I do not know. I ask them to leave, instead of heading to door, they are aggressive and surround me. What do you thing is going to happen?
    - rightbyte 3y ago
      > I ask them to leave, instead of heading to door, they are aggressive and surround me. What do you thing is going to happen? You better hope they are not actually aggressive? How are you getting out of this scenario other than being submissive or hoping they are "nice". There are so many Clint Eastwoods in this thread.
      - Throw73849 3y ago
        Do you expect some tactical masterplan? I have no idea what I would do. I would have like 1 second to decide. That is why it is very stupid idea, to threaten people at their property!
        rightbyte 3y ago
        Ok no I am sorry. I agree. I had the impression you were one of these guys that daydream about their (unrealistic) home defense plans.
    - ivalm 3y ago
      If you try anything violent they will kill you and claim self defence. Maybe they win the court case maybe they won’t but you will be dead.
  - midjji 3y ago
    More importantly, they are armed, and will shoot you first.
  - r00fus 3y ago
    Have you heard of the castle doctrine [1]? It's resulted in some really crazy (and imho horrible) situations where private citizens are allowed to use deadly force and literally murder people in cold blood. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
    - stale2002 3y ago
      No actually. Thats not what the castle doctine does. It does not allow you to just shoot someone, who is standing outside your door. If they broke into your house, then yes it might apply. But it absolutely does not allow you to just shoot someone, who knocked on your door.
      - r00fus 3y ago
        This has happened - of course, this is Florida, but still: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2012/03/why-george-zimmerman-trayvon-martins-killer-hasnt-been-prosecuted.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2012/03/why-george-zimme... This guy wasn't even on his porch. Stand your ground laws essentially allow gun owners to claim they were frightened for their lives so that becomes "their castle". Wouldn't be very hard to repurpose this kind of weaponized law to actually defend your household. btw - castle doctrine was intended to apply within property lines. If someone is on your doorstep, they are likely already clearly on your property. All of this is theoretical but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if this is used for exactly what you said it shouldn't allow.
        stale2002 3y ago
        You've misinterpreted the case that you posted. According to the zimmerman trial, if you look into it at all, Zimmerman claimed that he was being attacked, got knocked over on the ground, and then while the attacker was on top of him, yelling that he was going to kill him, he defended himself with a gun, at that point. And there was some physical evidence and injuries supporting this narrative. You can say that his statement is a lie, or that you don't believe his testimony. But, if that testimony is true, Shooting someone who is on top of you, assaulting you, yelling that you are going to die, while you are on the ground, is a much different situation than shooting someone who just knocked on your door. I would really recommend you look up that case more, if you thought it was in any way similar to "just shooting someone, at your door".

There was no raid

You ask them to leave, they do not... Unless the "security" recorded and streamed everything into cloud, very difficult to prove.

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stale2002 3y ago
No, actually. You cannot just shoot someone who is standing outside your doorway, And claim that they were trying to break in. You would go to jail.
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  >You would go to jail. You could go to jail. In some state's in the US, it is by no way guaranteed.
- Throw73849 3y ago
  Whatever. Coming into someones house to make threats is very stupid idea. One day I came into my kitchen, there is my wife crying, and three big threating guys I do not know. I ask them to leave, instead of heading to door, they are aggressive and surround me. What do you thing is going to happen?
  - rightbyte 3y ago
    > I ask them to leave, instead of heading to door, they are aggressive and surround me. What do you thing is going to happen? You better hope they are not actually aggressive? How are you getting out of this scenario other than being submissive or hoping they are "nice". There are so many Clint Eastwoods in this thread.
    - Throw73849 3y ago
      Do you expect some tactical masterplan? I have no idea what I would do. I would have like 1 second to decide. That is why it is very stupid idea, to threaten people at their property!
      - rightbyte 3y ago
        Ok no I am sorry. I agree. I had the impression you were one of these guys that daydream about their (unrealistic) home defense plans.
  - ivalm 3y ago
    If you try anything violent they will kill you and claim self defence. Maybe they win the court case maybe they won’t but you will be dead.
- midjji 3y ago
  More importantly, they are armed, and will shoot you first.
- r00fus 3y ago
  Have you heard of the castle doctrine [1]? It's resulted in some really crazy (and imho horrible) situations where private citizens are allowed to use deadly force and literally murder people in cold blood. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
  - stale2002 3y ago
    No actually. Thats not what the castle doctine does. It does not allow you to just shoot someone, who is standing outside your door. If they broke into your house, then yes it might apply. But it absolutely does not allow you to just shoot someone, who knocked on your door.
    - r00fus 3y ago
      This has happened - of course, this is Florida, but still: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2012/03/why-george-zimmerman-trayvon-martins-killer-hasnt-been-prosecuted.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2012/03/why-george-zimme... This guy wasn't even on his porch. Stand your ground laws essentially allow gun owners to claim they were frightened for their lives so that becomes "their castle". Wouldn't be very hard to repurpose this kind of weaponized law to actually defend your household. btw - castle doctrine was intended to apply within property lines. If someone is on your doorstep, they are likely already clearly on your property. All of this is theoretical but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if this is used for exactly what you said it shouldn't allow.
      - stale2002 3y ago
        You've misinterpreted the case that you posted. According to the zimmerman trial, if you look into it at all, Zimmerman claimed that he was being attacked, got knocked over on the ground, and then while the attacker was on top of him, yelling that he was going to kill him, he defended himself with a gun, at that point. And there was some physical evidence and injuries supporting this narrative. You can say that his statement is a lie, or that you don't believe his testimony. But, if that testimony is true, Shooting someone who is on top of you, assaulting you, yelling that you are going to die, while you are on the ground, is a much different situation than shooting someone who just knocked on your door. I would really recommend you look up that case more, if you thought it was in any way similar to "just shooting someone, at your door".