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What a shitty company. Time and time again they shaft consumers yet people buy into the ecosystem. Marketing works unfortunately.

nickpeterson 3y ago
I love these complaints that are so obviously from a tech bubble. I see so many senior citizens with iPhones, they must be buying the hype…
- emptyfile 3y ago
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GoofballJones 3y ago
Perhaps, but their policies and support for old hardware far exceeds anything you see in the Android world. But you point out THIS "shitty company" while not throwing your gaze towards all the other "shitty companies" like Samsung, or Google, or Sony, or Microsoft. Could it be that your disdain for the type of people that buy Apple products just rings through? The tried and true "them" vs "me" attitude. Personally, I just let strangers like what they want to like. WTF do I care if they like this phone instead of this other phone.
- circuit10 3y ago
  They’re all doing things like this, yes. That doesn’t make Apple any less bad though, it just means we need to fix it everywhere Interestingly Microsoft actually seems to be supporting right to repair but it could be some kind of PR stunt, still though that’s a good step forward
  - kaba0 3y ago
    > That doesn’t make Apple any less bad though It literally does - their devices easily reach 8-10 years of active usage, and we are talking about something that is used more than your shoes per day, actively charged-discharged each day, thrown around/fallen down, etc. Like that’s a great lifetime however we look at it, and it might need one or two battery replacements max for that.
    - circuit10 3y ago
      When you do need a battery replacement, you should be able to do it through whoever you want, not just Apple
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  The problem is Apple pisses on your head and tells you is clean water from a natural spring that is helping save the environment. Samsung does shitty things, but they are open and honest about it.
- _piif 3y ago
  The entire point is that yes, all of them are doing it and Apple isn't this golden savior among them that some make them out to be. They trump everyone else in certain aspects like longevity of software updates and privacy, doesn't mean they don't partake in costumer-hostile actions nor does it mean we should excuse those.
flappyeagle 3y ago
Apple has by far the longest support for older devices in the industry. 1 phone that’s not thrown away is 1000s of parts saved.
- bluescrn 3y ago
  And how many phones+tablets are throw away due to the inevitable expiry of glued-in non-user-replaceable batteries?
  - Klonoar 3y ago
    You're right. They should trade them in to Apple, who have one of the best recycling programs amongst hardware vendors. ;P
- realusername 3y ago
  > Apple has by far the longest support for older devices in the industry. Depends if you count community support or not because nobody beats Lineageos at this game.
  - kaba0 3y ago
    I am 100% sure that more 2nd-3rd user iphones are circulating in active use than the lineage os downloads summed together ever. Like, it’s not really a thing for the general populace.
    - realusername 3y ago
      Maybe but in the meantime, I can still install Android 12 on a Galaxy S4 and use it everyday whereas the iPhone 5 is now just ewaste.
      - arepublicadoceu 3y ago
        Galaxy S4 release date: 2013 iPhone 5s release date: 2013 Last official update from galaxy s4: Android 5.0.1 in 2015 [1] Last official update to iPhone 5s: iOS 12.5.7 in 2023 [2] I’m well aware that you’re speaking of custom roms, but insinuating that this is solving ewaste issues is disingenuous at best. No ewaste is fixed by us nerds flashing custom roms through adb incantations in out of support hardware. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S4#Updates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S4#Updates [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history
kaba0 3y ago
I honestly don’t get this sentiment, and why Apple is targeted for these — this is objectively the one category where Apple is unlike every other phone manufacturer. How many people walk around with 8 years old any Android phones? I bet that number is insanely small, yet I see it everyday in case of iphones, which manage to get 2 or even 3 owners in their lifetime. Look at the resell value of any other phone, it basically drops to zero the moment you open the box, while even older iphones get sold for very fair prices. And getting that many years out of a phone is absolutely stellar.

nickpeterson 3y ago

I love these complaints that are so obviously from a tech bubble. I see so many senior citizens with iPhones, they must be buying the hype…

emptyfile 3y ago
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GoofballJones 3y ago

Perhaps, but their policies and support for old hardware far exceeds anything you see in the Android world. But you point out THIS "shitty company" while not throwing your gaze towards all the other "shitty companies" like Samsung, or Google, or Sony, or Microsoft. Could it be that your disdain for the type of people that buy Apple products just rings through? The tried and true "them" vs "me" attitude. Personally, I just let strangers like what they want to like. WTF do I care if they like this phone instead of this other phone.

circuit10 3y ago
They’re all doing things like this, yes. That doesn’t make Apple any less bad though, it just means we need to fix it everywhere Interestingly Microsoft actually seems to be supporting right to repair but it could be some kind of PR stunt, still though that’s a good step forward
- kaba0 3y ago
  > That doesn’t make Apple any less bad though It literally does - their devices easily reach 8-10 years of active usage, and we are talking about something that is used more than your shoes per day, actively charged-discharged each day, thrown around/fallen down, etc. Like that’s a great lifetime however we look at it, and it might need one or two battery replacements max for that.
  - circuit10 3y ago
    When you do need a battery replacement, you should be able to do it through whoever you want, not just Apple
phpisthebest 3y ago
The problem is Apple pisses on your head and tells you is clean water from a natural spring that is helping save the environment. Samsung does shitty things, but they are open and honest about it.
_piif 3y ago
The entire point is that yes, all of them are doing it and Apple isn't this golden savior among them that some make them out to be. They trump everyone else in certain aspects like longevity of software updates and privacy, doesn't mean they don't partake in costumer-hostile actions nor does it mean we should excuse those.

flappyeagle 3y ago

Apple has by far the longest support for older devices in the industry. 1 phone that’s not thrown away is 1000s of parts saved.

bluescrn 3y ago
And how many phones+tablets are throw away due to the inevitable expiry of glued-in non-user-replaceable batteries?
- Klonoar 3y ago
  You're right. They should trade them in to Apple, who have one of the best recycling programs amongst hardware vendors. ;P
realusername 3y ago
> Apple has by far the longest support for older devices in the industry. Depends if you count community support or not because nobody beats Lineageos at this game.
- kaba0 3y ago
  I am 100% sure that more 2nd-3rd user iphones are circulating in active use than the lineage os downloads summed together ever. Like, it’s not really a thing for the general populace.
  - realusername 3y ago
    Maybe but in the meantime, I can still install Android 12 on a Galaxy S4 and use it everyday whereas the iPhone 5 is now just ewaste.
    - arepublicadoceu 3y ago
      Galaxy S4 release date: 2013 iPhone 5s release date: 2013 Last official update from galaxy s4: Android 5.0.1 in 2015 [1] Last official update to iPhone 5s: iOS 12.5.7 in 2023 [2] I’m well aware that you’re speaking of custom roms, but insinuating that this is solving ewaste issues is disingenuous at best. No ewaste is fixed by us nerds flashing custom roms through adb incantations in out of support hardware. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S4#Updates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S4#Updates [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history

kaba0 3y ago

I honestly don’t get this sentiment, and why Apple is targeted for these — this is objectively the one category where Apple is unlike every other phone manufacturer. How many people walk around with 8 years old any Android phones? I bet that number is insanely small, yet I see it everyday in case of iphones, which manage to get 2 or even 3 owners in their lifetime. Look at the resell value of any other phone, it basically drops to zero the moment you open the box, while even older iphones get sold for very fair prices. And getting that many years out of a phone is absolutely stellar.