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Some good points. But surely they should have been sent a warning, even a 24 hour one, to remove some content before just being wiped off the Internet. This a

Some good points. But surely they should have been sent a warning, even a 24 hour one, to remove some content before just being wiped off the Internet. This action is business destroying and draconian.

benologist 15y ago
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely agree they shouldn't have been destroyed and that GoDaddy has no right to be the executioner.
- sukuriant 15y ago
  Then how do you rectify the statement you made that their customers should be angry with them, and that they shouldn't be destroyed? I really want to hear this.
  - benologist 15y ago
    Because there are two things here: 1) GoDaddy overstepping their bounds and shutting down a website 2) JotForm having inadequate, perhaps even non-existant measures in place to prevent or respond to phishing Obviously #1 dwarfs #2 significantly but that doesn't make #2 okay.
    - sukuriant 15y ago
      How doesn't it? The argument could be made that GoDaddy would have done that deed anyway, even if (2) hadn't been rectified. GoDaddy might not have, if those provisions had been in place. Do these sorts of stories with GoDaddy happen often?
      - benologist 15y ago
        GoDaddy's actions don't cancel it out because ignoring or not adequately preparing for phishing was wrong every single day and a foreseeable problem for about a decade now. They had a responsibility to prevent this for their paying users. Maybe it wouldn't have saved them, but there are a lot of free-x-hosting companies out there that haven't been shut down in spite of abuse.
        sukuriant 15y ago
        Do you plan for every illegal thing that could happen on your website? It's easy to not imagine what sort of evil your site could be used for when you're thinking of just the awesome problem you're trying to solve.
        benologist 15y ago
        This isn't really some unforeseeable edge case that nobody could have reasonably expected to happen - their site lets you build a form, embed it on a page, and they either email or save the form data for you. Not anticipating phishing would be fine if it was 10 years ago.
        drucken 15y ago
        benologist please stop trying to make it sound as if there is any dependency between your 1 and 2. How can anyone who has ever used the Internet or has even a basic understanding of the Domain Name System believe that it is a registrar's right or responsibility to take down a domain, especially without notice, and that does nothing to contravene the conditions of owning that domain name? I wouldn't even say you are beating a dead horse with that dependency. It was never a horse to begin with! The blame obviously lies squarely with the US federal agencies - you do not see this happen in other developed countries, for example (UK does not count since its a US colony in all but name). In particular, to be able to shutdown or ruin the reputation of a business at the drop of a hat due to alleged breaking of the law - not even by the business itself - before it has even been processed by the justice system! Just imagine if this had been a takedown of Google, Microsoft, Apple or Facebook site, all of which easily meet or have met the conditions for alleged infringements of US IP or other laws at some point, if for no other reason than hosting user-generated content...
        benologist 15y ago
        You misread what I'm saying. Jotform users deserve to be angry about this situation which in the last decade has been successfully avoided by many free-x-hosting companies who actually prepared for obvious problems. GoDaddy is, regardless, ridiculous.

benologist 15y ago

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely agree they shouldn't have been destroyed and that GoDaddy has no right to be the executioner.

sukuriant 15y ago
Then how do you rectify the statement you made that their customers should be angry with them, and that they shouldn't be destroyed? I really want to hear this.
- benologist 15y ago
  Because there are two things here: 1) GoDaddy overstepping their bounds and shutting down a website 2) JotForm having inadequate, perhaps even non-existant measures in place to prevent or respond to phishing Obviously #1 dwarfs #2 significantly but that doesn't make #2 okay.
  - sukuriant 15y ago
    How doesn't it? The argument could be made that GoDaddy would have done that deed anyway, even if (2) hadn't been rectified. GoDaddy might not have, if those provisions had been in place. Do these sorts of stories with GoDaddy happen often?
    - benologist 15y ago
      GoDaddy's actions don't cancel it out because ignoring or not adequately preparing for phishing was wrong every single day and a foreseeable problem for about a decade now. They had a responsibility to prevent this for their paying users. Maybe it wouldn't have saved them, but there are a lot of free-x-hosting companies out there that haven't been shut down in spite of abuse.
      - sukuriant 15y ago
        Do you plan for every illegal thing that could happen on your website? It's easy to not imagine what sort of evil your site could be used for when you're thinking of just the awesome problem you're trying to solve.
        benologist 15y ago
        This isn't really some unforeseeable edge case that nobody could have reasonably expected to happen - their site lets you build a form, embed it on a page, and they either email or save the form data for you. Not anticipating phishing would be fine if it was 10 years ago.
        drucken 15y ago
        benologist please stop trying to make it sound as if there is any dependency between your 1 and 2. How can anyone who has ever used the Internet or has even a basic understanding of the Domain Name System believe that it is a registrar's right or responsibility to take down a domain, especially without notice, and that does nothing to contravene the conditions of owning that domain name? I wouldn't even say you are beating a dead horse with that dependency. It was never a horse to begin with! The blame obviously lies squarely with the US federal agencies - you do not see this happen in other developed countries, for example (UK does not count since its a US colony in all but name). In particular, to be able to shutdown or ruin the reputation of a business at the drop of a hat due to alleged breaking of the law - not even by the business itself - before it has even been processed by the justice system! Just imagine if this had been a takedown of Google, Microsoft, Apple or Facebook site, all of which easily meet or have met the conditions for alleged infringements of US IP or other laws at some point, if for no other reason than hosting user-generated content...
        benologist 15y ago
        You misread what I'm saying. Jotform users deserve to be angry about this situation which in the last decade has been successfully avoided by many free-x-hosting companies who actually prepared for obvious problems. GoDaddy is, regardless, ridiculous.