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Hundreds of black men have died violent deaths because of bad policy written by those who, like you, avert their eyes from reality when it suits them: https://

Hundreds of black men have died violent deaths because of bad policy written by those who, like you, avert their eyes from reality when it suits them: https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1651437800842223616 https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1651437800842223616 Granted, they don't always do it with a droll non-sequitur.

tomlockwood 3y ago
What reality do you think I'm averting my eyes from?
- neurobama 3y ago
  That heritable factors which correlate with race significantly impact rates of violent crime, including large differences in crime rates between groups; that these differences matter more than sex differences, particularly given taboos around race; and that this knowledge should drive expectations for fair criminal justice policy.
  - tomlockwood 3y ago
    > these differences matter more than sex differences No they don't.
    - neurobama 3y ago
      Yes, they do. Here's why: No one believes that since most imprisoned murderers are men, there's systemic anti-male bias in the justice system. The relevant biological differences between sexes are acknowledged and accepted. I'm asking HNers to accept similar well-studied differences between ancestral genetic groups. Refusal to acknowledge and accept these differences has already led to bad policy, such as de-policing America's black communities, which has cost hundreds of black men their lives in just the last few years. A minority of this minority is allowed to run wild and victimize their neighbors and society at large. This is plainly unsustainable. We can take our medicine now and accept the need to police violent criminals, even if they are black, or we can keep our heads in the sand until something far worse boils over. This is the core message of all my comments on this link and race issues at large.
      - tomlockwood 3y ago
        > The relevant biological differences between sexes are acknowledged and accepted. Except if they were accepted in the way racists wanted race to be accepted, we'd crack down hard on freedom of movement for men. A consistent racist would want us to pull our head out of the sand and more rigorously police the violent criminals that are, almost always men. The data on the outsized violence of men is much more consistent, and dramatic, than the violence of any "ancestral genetic group".
        neurobama 3y ago
        >Except if they were accepted in the way racists wanted race to be accepted, we'd crack down hard on freedom of movement for men. Bananas. Where do you find this stuff? >A consistent racist would want us to pull our head out of the sand and more rigorously police the violent criminals that are, almost always men. We already police men way more than women, what's your point? >The data on the outsized violence of men is much more consistent, and dramatic, than the violence of any "ancestral genetic group". Read the last part again: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35943243 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35943243
        tomlockwood 3y ago
        The reality is, if we were using demographic factors to prevent immigrants who cause violence from coming into a country, there's a few that are much more predictive than race. First, we'd ban all men. Second, we'd ban everyone under the age of 30. Maybe everyone under 50 if we were feeling really fascist. With these two evidence based restrictions, we'd effectively eliminate violent crime perpetrated by immigrants. That's the stark reality, and its so funny to see racists try to avoid these points. > We already police men way more than women, what's your point? We would need to put more police in places where men congregate to be truly consistent - like software companies. The de-policing of men's places of work like these, may be putting us at risk, after all. I'm just being realistic.
        neurobama 3y ago

tomlockwood 3y ago

What reality do you think I'm averting my eyes from?

neurobama 3y ago
That heritable factors which correlate with race significantly impact rates of violent crime, including large differences in crime rates between groups; that these differences matter more than sex differences, particularly given taboos around race; and that this knowledge should drive expectations for fair criminal justice policy.
- tomlockwood 3y ago
  > these differences matter more than sex differences No they don't.
  - neurobama 3y ago
    Yes, they do. Here's why: No one believes that since most imprisoned murderers are men, there's systemic anti-male bias in the justice system. The relevant biological differences between sexes are acknowledged and accepted. I'm asking HNers to accept similar well-studied differences between ancestral genetic groups. Refusal to acknowledge and accept these differences has already led to bad policy, such as de-policing America's black communities, which has cost hundreds of black men their lives in just the last few years. A minority of this minority is allowed to run wild and victimize their neighbors and society at large. This is plainly unsustainable. We can take our medicine now and accept the need to police violent criminals, even if they are black, or we can keep our heads in the sand until something far worse boils over. This is the core message of all my comments on this link and race issues at large.
    - tomlockwood 3y ago
      > The relevant biological differences between sexes are acknowledged and accepted. Except if they were accepted in the way racists wanted race to be accepted, we'd crack down hard on freedom of movement for men. A consistent racist would want us to pull our head out of the sand and more rigorously police the violent criminals that are, almost always men. The data on the outsized violence of men is much more consistent, and dramatic, than the violence of any "ancestral genetic group".
      - neurobama 3y ago
        >Except if they were accepted in the way racists wanted race to be accepted, we'd crack down hard on freedom of movement for men. Bananas. Where do you find this stuff? >A consistent racist would want us to pull our head out of the sand and more rigorously police the violent criminals that are, almost always men. We already police men way more than women, what's your point? >The data on the outsized violence of men is much more consistent, and dramatic, than the violence of any "ancestral genetic group". Read the last part again: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35943243 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35943243
        tomlockwood 3y ago
        The reality is, if we were using demographic factors to prevent immigrants who cause violence from coming into a country, there's a few that are much more predictive than race. First, we'd ban all men. Second, we'd ban everyone under the age of 30. Maybe everyone under 50 if we were feeling really fascist. With these two evidence based restrictions, we'd effectively eliminate violent crime perpetrated by immigrants. That's the stark reality, and its so funny to see racists try to avoid these points. > We already police men way more than women, what's your point? We would need to put more police in places where men congregate to be truly consistent - like software companies. The de-policing of men's places of work like these, may be putting us at risk, after all. I'm just being realistic.
        neurobama 3y ago