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>women being the victims of violence. What sort of violence are we talking about? Men are murdered far more often than women across the globe, at a ratio of ab

>women being the victims of violence. What sort of violence are we talking about? Men are murdered far more often than women across the globe, at a ratio of about 4 to 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender Men are slightly more likely than women to experience domestic violence in the US, per the CDC's National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs/NISVSReportonIPV_2022.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs/NISVSReport... However, woman are about twice as likely to become victims of sexual violence: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfact.html https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfa...

tomlockwood 3y ago
> What sort of violence are we talking about? Men are murdered far more often than women across the globe, at a ratio of about 4 to 1: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender You know this just seems like male on male violence to me ;)
- neurobama 3y ago
  Hundreds of black men have died violent deaths because of bad policy written by those who, like you, avert their eyes from reality when it suits them: https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1651437800842223616 https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1651437800842223616 Granted, they don't always do it with a droll non-sequitur.
  - tomlockwood 3y ago
    What reality do you think I'm averting my eyes from?
    - neurobama 3y ago
      That heritable factors which correlate with race significantly impact rates of violent crime, including large differences in crime rates between groups; that these differences matter more than sex differences, particularly given taboos around race; and that this knowledge should drive expectations for fair criminal justice policy.
      - tomlockwood 3y ago
        > these differences matter more than sex differences No they don't.
        neurobama 3y ago
        Yes, they do. Here's why: No one believes that since most imprisoned murderers are men, there's systemic anti-male bias in the justice system. The relevant biological differences between sexes are acknowledged and accepted. I'm asking HNers to accept similar well-studied differences between ancestral genetic groups. Refusal to acknowledge and accept these differences has already led to bad policy, such as de-policing America's black communities, which has cost hundreds of black men their lives in just the last few years. A minority of this minority is allowed to run wild and victimize their neighbors and society at large. This is plainly unsustainable. We can take our medicine now and accept the need to police violent criminals, even if they are black, or we can keep our heads in the sand until something far worse boils over. This is the core message of all my comments on this link and race issues at large.
        tomlockwood 3y ago
        > The relevant biological differences between sexes are acknowledged and accepted. Except if they were accepted in the way racists wanted race to be accepted, we'd crack down hard on freedom of movement for men. A consistent racist would want us to pull our head out of the sand and more rigorously police the violent criminals that are, almost always men. The data on the outsized violence of men is much more consistent, and dramatic, than the violence of any "ancestral genetic group".

tomlockwood 3y ago

> What sort of violence are we talking about? Men are murdered far more often than women across the globe, at a ratio of about 4 to 1: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender You know this just seems like male on male violence to me ;)

neurobama 3y ago
Hundreds of black men have died violent deaths because of bad policy written by those who, like you, avert their eyes from reality when it suits them: https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1651437800842223616 https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1651437800842223616 Granted, they don't always do it with a droll non-sequitur.
- tomlockwood 3y ago
  What reality do you think I'm averting my eyes from?
  - neurobama 3y ago
    That heritable factors which correlate with race significantly impact rates of violent crime, including large differences in crime rates between groups; that these differences matter more than sex differences, particularly given taboos around race; and that this knowledge should drive expectations for fair criminal justice policy.
    - tomlockwood 3y ago
      > these differences matter more than sex differences No they don't.
      - neurobama 3y ago
        Yes, they do. Here's why: No one believes that since most imprisoned murderers are men, there's systemic anti-male bias in the justice system. The relevant biological differences between sexes are acknowledged and accepted. I'm asking HNers to accept similar well-studied differences between ancestral genetic groups. Refusal to acknowledge and accept these differences has already led to bad policy, such as de-policing America's black communities, which has cost hundreds of black men their lives in just the last few years. A minority of this minority is allowed to run wild and victimize their neighbors and society at large. This is plainly unsustainable. We can take our medicine now and accept the need to police violent criminals, even if they are black, or we can keep our heads in the sand until something far worse boils over. This is the core message of all my comments on this link and race issues at large.
        tomlockwood 3y ago
        > The relevant biological differences between sexes are acknowledged and accepted. Except if they were accepted in the way racists wanted race to be accepted, we'd crack down hard on freedom of movement for men. A consistent racist would want us to pull our head out of the sand and more rigorously police the violent criminals that are, almost always men. The data on the outsized violence of men is much more consistent, and dramatic, than the violence of any "ancestral genetic group".