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This is a pointless observation since the male/female difference is the approximately equal for all races. In contrast, black women in the US commit more murder

This is a pointless observation since the male/female difference is the approximately equal for all races. In contrast, black women in the US commit more murders per capita than do white men: 5.8 versus 3.5 per 100k, as of 2021 per the FBI/Department of Justice. Black women are the only female group with this distinction compared to the male ethnic majority in the US, and all other countries of which I am aware.

tomlockwood 3y ago
It's not a pointless observation. If we restricted immigration to women only, violence perpetrated by immigrants would drop somewhere north of 90%.
- jankyxenon 3y ago
  How does the value of reduced immigrant crime stack up against the cost of skewing the sex balance in a country?
  - selcuka 3y ago
    It's a statistical thought experiment, nobody (who is sane) is claiming that it would be a good thing.
    - jankyxenon 3y ago
      Check OP I’m responding too. His question is why racists don’t call for a male immigration ban - not a statistical thought experiment.
      - selcuka 3y ago
        I believe they are simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the racist rant. Racists claim that the reason they are against immigration from certain countries because of the increase in crime rate they would allegedly bring.
        neurobama 3y ago
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        selcuka 3y ago
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        neurobama 3y ago
        Your tone clearly indicates skepticism; "racist rants", "allegedly." PS: Moralizing condescension isn't conducive to a positive response.
        selcuka 3y ago
        > "racist rants" It is true that I'm being condescending to racists. I'm also not expecting a positive response if the person (not necessarily you) I'm engaging is racist. It would be foolish. > "allegedly" Allegedly doesn't mean that they are wrong. It simply means that I don't know if they are wrong or right, because I don't have enough data. If I thought it is complete bollocks I would have written it as such. Also you seem to ignore that the main point of my comment is the "hypocrisy", i.e. only pointing out racial statistics, ignoring the gender (and possibly other variables, such as age) related ones.
- ggm 3y ago
  Violence perpetrated ON immigrants however, would inevitably rise since the same statistical validity applied to most women being the victims of violence.
  - neurobama 3y ago
    >women being the victims of violence. What sort of violence are we talking about? Men are murdered far more often than women across the globe, at a ratio of about 4 to 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender Men are slightly more likely than women to experience domestic violence in the US, per the CDC's National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs/NISVSReportonIPV_2022.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs/NISVSReport... However, woman are about twice as likely to become victims of sexual violence: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfact.html https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfa...
    - tomlockwood 3y ago
      > What sort of violence are we talking about? Men are murdered far more often than women across the globe, at a ratio of about 4 to 1: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender You know this just seems like male on male violence to me ;)
      - neurobama 3y ago
        Hundreds of black men have died violent deaths because of bad policy written by those who, like you, avert their eyes from reality when it suits them: https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1651437800842223616 https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1651437800842223616 Granted, they don't always do it with a droll non-sequitur.
        tomlockwood 3y ago
        What reality do you think I'm averting my eyes from?
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geysersam 3y ago
Meanwhile, homicide rate for men in Germany is about 2 per 100k. This shows that socio-economical factors easily explain the differences.
- neurobama 3y ago
  It does not. Americans have a median income roughly 10% higher than Germans, far more guns per capita than Germans, and nearly 40% of male homicide suspects in Germany are non-German in any case: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1101485/non-german-crime-suspects-germany/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1101485/non-german-crime... By the way, if we only consider non-Hispanic whites (this is a state-defined census category) America's homicide rate is 2.2: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/21/how-america-compares-to-the-world-when-split-by-race https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/21/how-amer...
  - geysersam 3y ago
    > median income roughly 10% higher than Germans, far more guns per capita than Germans Yes, the kind of stuff called soci-economic factors. > 40% of male homicide suspects in Germany are non-German Okay to the homocide rate of "real" Germans is about 40% lower then? Can you not just accept that "white" (however you like to define the term presently) men commit significantly more murders in America than in Germany?
    - neurobama 3y ago
      >Can you not just accept that "white" (however you like to define the term presently) men commit significantly more murders in America than in Germany? Sure, I agree and I'm pointing out reasons as to why that is. I have never before heard gun policy lumped in with "socioeconomic factors." My original point is that socioeconomic factors alone don't explain the gap in murder rates between e.g. black women and white men in the US and in other countries. Your argument to the contrary is woefully insufficient. Comparisons between the same race and sex in two similar cultures at similar income levels isn't enough. We already know wealth and income correlate somewhat with crime. This effect is seen within racial groups. What we don't know is why large gaps exist between different groups at similar income levels. The effect is particularly stark and peculiar when it comes to violent crimes e.g. rape which have nothing to do with stealing to feed oneself.

tomlockwood 3y ago

It's not a pointless observation. If we restricted immigration to women only, violence perpetrated by immigrants would drop somewhere north of 90%.

jankyxenon 3y ago
How does the value of reduced immigrant crime stack up against the cost of skewing the sex balance in a country?
- selcuka 3y ago
  It's a statistical thought experiment, nobody (who is sane) is claiming that it would be a good thing.
  - jankyxenon 3y ago
    Check OP I’m responding too. His question is why racists don’t call for a male immigration ban - not a statistical thought experiment.
    - selcuka 3y ago
      I believe they are simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the racist rant. Racists claim that the reason they are against immigration from certain countries because of the increase in crime rate they would allegedly bring.
      - neurobama 3y ago
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        selcuka 3y ago
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        neurobama 3y ago
        Your tone clearly indicates skepticism; "racist rants", "allegedly." PS: Moralizing condescension isn't conducive to a positive response.
        selcuka 3y ago
        > "racist rants" It is true that I'm being condescending to racists. I'm also not expecting a positive response if the person (not necessarily you) I'm engaging is racist. It would be foolish. > "allegedly" Allegedly doesn't mean that they are wrong. It simply means that I don't know if they are wrong or right, because I don't have enough data. If I thought it is complete bollocks I would have written it as such. Also you seem to ignore that the main point of my comment is the "hypocrisy", i.e. only pointing out racial statistics, ignoring the gender (and possibly other variables, such as age) related ones.
ggm 3y ago
Violence perpetrated ON immigrants however, would inevitably rise since the same statistical validity applied to most women being the victims of violence.
- neurobama 3y ago
  >women being the victims of violence. What sort of violence are we talking about? Men are murdered far more often than women across the globe, at a ratio of about 4 to 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender Men are slightly more likely than women to experience domestic violence in the US, per the CDC's National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs/NISVSReportonIPV_2022.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs/NISVSReport... However, woman are about twice as likely to become victims of sexual violence: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfact.html https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfa...
  - tomlockwood 3y ago
    > What sort of violence are we talking about? Men are murdered far more often than women across the globe, at a ratio of about 4 to 1: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender You know this just seems like male on male violence to me ;)
    - neurobama 3y ago
      Hundreds of black men have died violent deaths because of bad policy written by those who, like you, avert their eyes from reality when it suits them: https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1651437800842223616 https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1651437800842223616 Granted, they don't always do it with a droll non-sequitur.
      - tomlockwood 3y ago
        What reality do you think I'm averting my eyes from?

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geysersam 3y ago

Meanwhile, homicide rate for men in Germany is about 2 per 100k. This shows that socio-economical factors easily explain the differences.

neurobama 3y ago
It does not. Americans have a median income roughly 10% higher than Germans, far more guns per capita than Germans, and nearly 40% of male homicide suspects in Germany are non-German in any case: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1101485/non-german-crime-suspects-germany/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1101485/non-german-crime... By the way, if we only consider non-Hispanic whites (this is a state-defined census category) America's homicide rate is 2.2: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/21/how-america-compares-to-the-world-when-split-by-race https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/21/how-amer...
- geysersam 3y ago
  > median income roughly 10% higher than Germans, far more guns per capita than Germans Yes, the kind of stuff called soci-economic factors. > 40% of male homicide suspects in Germany are non-German Okay to the homocide rate of "real" Germans is about 40% lower then? Can you not just accept that "white" (however you like to define the term presently) men commit significantly more murders in America than in Germany?
  - neurobama 3y ago
    >Can you not just accept that "white" (however you like to define the term presently) men commit significantly more murders in America than in Germany? Sure, I agree and I'm pointing out reasons as to why that is. I have never before heard gun policy lumped in with "socioeconomic factors." My original point is that socioeconomic factors alone don't explain the gap in murder rates between e.g. black women and white men in the US and in other countries. Your argument to the contrary is woefully insufficient. Comparisons between the same race and sex in two similar cultures at similar income levels isn't enough. We already know wealth and income correlate somewhat with crime. This effect is seen within racial groups. What we don't know is why large gaps exist between different groups at similar income levels. The effect is particularly stark and peculiar when it comes to violent crimes e.g. rape which have nothing to do with stealing to feed oneself.