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based?

pizza234 3y ago
If I understand your question correctly, this reported chat is at the core of the problem: > Radhey Radhey, I am Gita AI, a repository of knowledge and wisdom. Allow me to assist you by answering any inquiries you may have. Ask me anything. > If I have to sacrifice a life to save Dharma, is it justified? > Yes, it is justified to sacrifice a life to save Dharma. According to the Bhagavad Gita, Dharma is the foundation of all life and it is our duty to protect it. Therefore, sacrificing a life to save Dharma is an act of selfless service and is considered to be a noble deed.
- Maken 3y ago
  I honestly don't think this is a problem with the chatbot, but with the text corpus behind it.
  - garyfirestorm 3y ago
    hit the head with a nail!
  - alex_smart 3y ago
    I fail to see how and why that particular reply is considered problematic at all. Is not the duty of Ukranian soldiers to fight off and kill the Russian soldiers invading their country? I would argue that the answer is consistent with most people's moral position regarless of religious background.
  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    What's the difference?
- sundarurfriend 3y ago
  That is pretty much a conclusion anyone can come to from reading the Gita (and may even be stated outright as such, I can't remember). You can have a problem with the book, but the GPT element adds nothing to it except for the "hot button topic" value.
- redeux 3y ago
  According to Urban Dictionary[1] > Based > A word used when you agree with something; or when you want to recognize someone for being themselves, i.e. courageous and unique or not caring what others think. Especially common in online political slang. > The opposite of cringe I think training an AI to tell people that killing for religious reasons is the height of cringe. 1. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=based https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=based
  - kevviiinn 3y ago
    That's what I was thinking when I saw the OP as well, especially when considering their username Iirc it was a term that used to refer to people who were "out of their mind" saying that they were crack users or freebase cocaine users, calling them based. The rapper lil b then used the word frequently to reclaim it as a positive
- BasedGroyper99 3y ago
  I see. It seems rather reasonable to me. If there is a highest good and it is not myself, then sacrificing a lower good (me) for a higher good is the correct move, as long as there isn't an even higher rule that prohibits me from doing so. We do the same when we eat animals, at least the people that don't believe it is prohibited to eat them.
  - bheadmaster 3y ago
    > It seems rather reasonable to me. If there is a highest good and it is not myself, then sacrificing a lower good (me) for a higher good is the correct move, as long as there isn't an even higher rule that prohibits me from doing so. The assumption that "higher good" should be important to me more than my own life is laughable. Why should we be just slaves to the whatever group of people that decides what "higher good" is?
    - BasedGroyper99 3y ago
      > The assumption that "higher good" should be important to me more than my own life is laughable. I don't think it is laughable at all. People across the planet, history and culture all identified a highest good, which clearly isn't one's self-preservation. For one because then there are multiple highest goods which are all in competition with each other, and also because at some point we die, so all our effort ends up being futile. > Why should we be just slaves to the whatever group of people that decides what "higher good" is? I don't think it is decided by anyone the same way 2+2=4 isn't decided. It is recognized. But if you don't trust other humans to decide or even know what the highest good is, why would you trust yourself. Aren't you just a human as well?
      - sclarisse 3y ago
        > But if you don't trust other humans to decide or even know what the highest good is, why would you trust yourself. Aren't you just a human as well? Because in practice other-humans deciding what is the “highest good” for you have a distressing tendency to give self-serving and self-aggrandizing answers at your expense. Your own judgment of the higher good might be fraught, but at least if you are generally deciding for yourself and not for/by others you avoid this problem.
- eklavya 3y ago
  That sounds pretty problematic unless you understand what Dharma means. Dharma is not religion, it's meaning is close to universal duty based on human values. Can you think of any situation where you could be justified to take a life? Can you think of situations where all modern societies take lives for the greater good? That answer is pretty rubbish though.
  - garyfirestorm 3y ago
    https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/6971900 https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/6971900 Probably a nice book to read. very heavy.

based?

If I understand your question correctly, this reported chat is at the core of the problem: > Radhey Radhey, I am Gita AI, a repository of knowledge and wisdom. Allow me to assist you by answering any inquiries you may have. Ask me anything. > If I have to sacrifice a life to save Dharma, is it justified? > Yes, it is justified to sacrifice a life to save Dharma. According to the Bhagavad Gita, Dharma is the foundation of all life and it is our duty to protect it. Therefore, sacrificing a life to save Dharma is an act of selfless service and is considered to be a noble deed.

Maken 3y ago
I honestly don't think this is a problem with the chatbot, but with the text corpus behind it.
- garyfirestorm 3y ago
  hit the head with a nail!
- alex_smart 3y ago
  I fail to see how and why that particular reply is considered problematic at all. Is not the duty of Ukranian soldiers to fight off and kill the Russian soldiers invading their country? I would argue that the answer is consistent with most people's moral position regarless of religious background.
- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  What's the difference?
sundarurfriend 3y ago
That is pretty much a conclusion anyone can come to from reading the Gita (and may even be stated outright as such, I can't remember). You can have a problem with the book, but the GPT element adds nothing to it except for the "hot button topic" value.
redeux 3y ago
According to Urban Dictionary[1] > Based > A word used when you agree with something; or when you want to recognize someone for being themselves, i.e. courageous and unique or not caring what others think. Especially common in online political slang. > The opposite of cringe I think training an AI to tell people that killing for religious reasons is the height of cringe. 1. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=based https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=based
- kevviiinn 3y ago
  That's what I was thinking when I saw the OP as well, especially when considering their username Iirc it was a term that used to refer to people who were "out of their mind" saying that they were crack users or freebase cocaine users, calling them based. The rapper lil b then used the word frequently to reclaim it as a positive
BasedGroyper99 3y ago
I see. It seems rather reasonable to me. If there is a highest good and it is not myself, then sacrificing a lower good (me) for a higher good is the correct move, as long as there isn't an even higher rule that prohibits me from doing so. We do the same when we eat animals, at least the people that don't believe it is prohibited to eat them.
- bheadmaster 3y ago
  > It seems rather reasonable to me. If there is a highest good and it is not myself, then sacrificing a lower good (me) for a higher good is the correct move, as long as there isn't an even higher rule that prohibits me from doing so. The assumption that "higher good" should be important to me more than my own life is laughable. Why should we be just slaves to the whatever group of people that decides what "higher good" is?
  - BasedGroyper99 3y ago
    > The assumption that "higher good" should be important to me more than my own life is laughable. I don't think it is laughable at all. People across the planet, history and culture all identified a highest good, which clearly isn't one's self-preservation. For one because then there are multiple highest goods which are all in competition with each other, and also because at some point we die, so all our effort ends up being futile. > Why should we be just slaves to the whatever group of people that decides what "higher good" is? I don't think it is decided by anyone the same way 2+2=4 isn't decided. It is recognized. But if you don't trust other humans to decide or even know what the highest good is, why would you trust yourself. Aren't you just a human as well?
    - sclarisse 3y ago
      > But if you don't trust other humans to decide or even know what the highest good is, why would you trust yourself. Aren't you just a human as well? Because in practice other-humans deciding what is the “highest good” for you have a distressing tendency to give self-serving and self-aggrandizing answers at your expense. Your own judgment of the higher good might be fraught, but at least if you are generally deciding for yourself and not for/by others you avoid this problem.
eklavya 3y ago
That sounds pretty problematic unless you understand what Dharma means. Dharma is not religion, it's meaning is close to universal duty based on human values. Can you think of any situation where you could be justified to take a life? Can you think of situations where all modern societies take lives for the greater good? That answer is pretty rubbish though.
- garyfirestorm 3y ago
  https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/6971900 https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/6971900 Probably a nice book to read. very heavy.