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Morse, an open-source interactive tool for inspecting Clojure
- giancarlostoro 3y agoThis sounds awful to google for, I guess if you do "Clojure Morse" it might work. The other nitpick is, if you're ever introducing a new language, regardless of context, throw some code samples, like a simple applicable "hello world" at a minimum. And because someone has to... "Can I look at your Morse code?"
- rippeltippel 3y ago> if you're ever introducing a new language, regardless of context, throw some code samples This is not a new language, it's a tool for Clojure. I really appreciate the contributions that Nubank is making (after making Datomic free, https://blog.datomic.com/2023/04/datomic-is-free.html https://blog.datomic.com/2023/04/datomic-is-free.html). My only nitpick this time is that I would have liked some screenshots/screencasts of the this new tool in action.
- mst 3y agodimitar found and linked a screenshot upthread: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/nubank/morse/main/screenshot.png https://raw.githubusercontent.com/nubank/morse/main/screensh... (more would be nice but it's a start)
- giancarlostoro 3y agoI apparently missread the content, more reason why it needs screenshots or anything informative front and center...
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- johngalt_ 3y agoYou could have just read the article, it explains very clearly what it is about. Or checked the github page linked in the article that provides more information and screenshots.
- beanjuiceII 3y agowait datomic is free now? wow nice
- marcofiset 3y agoAs long as the tool lives in the ecosystem and is discoverable alongside Clojure, the name isn't an issue at all.
- medo-bear 3y agoclojure hardly needs a "hello world" introduction
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- chankstein38 3y agoNo. Morse is a long-established communication protocol for letters. This tool is just something named poorly.
- dimitar 3y agoScreenshot here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/nubank/morse/main/screenshot.png https://raw.githubusercontent.com/nubank/morse/main/screensh...
- 0x445442 3y agoAll roads lead to Smalltalk.
- pjmlp 3y agoOr Lisp Machines, https://twitter.com/jackrusher/status/1350839387500773378 https://twitter.com/jackrusher/status/1350839387500773378
- fogus 3y agothere are so many lessons that we need to understand and leverage in our modern tooling, languages, and systems that Smalltalk and Lisp got right decades ago.
- sandij 3y agoAnd video here: https://docs.datomic.com/cloud/other-tools/REBL.html https://docs.datomic.com/cloud/other-tools/REBL.html
- clusterhacks 3y agoAre Clojure dev teams outside of Nubank currently using REBL excited about this? As a small project Clojure dev (and admittedly a couple years out of daily Clojure use), these types of projects are hard for me to place in a day-to-day work context. The doc says that Morse is one tool that can "amplify the power of the programmer during interactive development". I totally feel like Clojure REPL-based dev is better for me personally - the interactive feedback feels so natural and functional programming matches so well my preferred dev process. But it is more difficult for me to understand where this type of tooling fits in dev workflow. Is Morse an incremental improvement? Does it make more sense in significant Clojure dev shops with many programmers vs just me sitting around with an Emacs repl going?
- hcarvalhoalves 3y agoBack in the day, I used the Cursive plugin + IntelliJ integrated debugger to inspect complicated data structures. This seems like a natural evolution.
- phyrex 3y agoIf it’s anything like REBL (and it looks like it) it’s complimentary to a repl. Think it it as a visual data browser, which is something that a repl isn’t good for
- fogus 3y ago> Clojure REPL-based dev is better for me personally me too! Morse is complementary to your normal REPL-based workflow. it is designed to not get in the way of that.
- erichocean 3y agoI've been really enjoying using Clojure with Clerk: https://github.com/nextjournal/clerk https://github.com/nextjournal/clerk It's a bit like a Jupyter notebook, but you get to use your own editor, you still have a normal Clojure REPL, it's stored in git like "normal" code, etc. For exploratory, information processing type work, it's pretty great. Demo here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bs3QX92kYA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bs3QX92kYA
- geokon 3y agoI'm glad the MATLAB interface isn't dead haha This this looks awfully similar to Reveal - though Reveal seems to be more composable and modular https://github.com/vlaaad/reveal/ https://github.com/vlaaad/reveal/
- blatant303 3y agoI wasted several hours trying to make REBL work from a Leiningen project. Couldn't manage to have it connect to my REPL and show me the forms I'd get there. Gave up even though I managed to overcome the boggus dependencies. I'm fed up with Clojure/script and the core dev team. The language came out without a build system, so Technomancy invented Leiningen, the build system, and eventually, something like 10 years later, the dev team released Deps: you still need to remember painfully long commands to run your project (and as a consequence store them in some textfile because eventually your teammates will ask you: can you send me the command to run the project/tests/whatever ?). Clojurescript is just a hideous mess and having to sprinkle countless reader conditionnals because of the atrocious clojurescript specific ':require-macros' is a huge letdown and makes writing universal portable code that can run both in the jvm and the browser a painful and sad experience. And it's almost impossible to suggest improvements to the language (even tiny ones) because the dev team is just smug. They'll turn down your idea and implement it anyway when they feel they need it (I've had 2 suggestions turned down then integrated anyway – I'm the one who pointed out Ruby manages terminal map arguments just fine, whether it's a literal or "variadic" map). I'm looking forward to luxlang now. https://trello.com/b/VRQhvXjs/lux https://trello.com/b/VRQhvXjs/lux
- lgrapenthin 3y agoThis rant has hardly anything to do with the linked announcement, except that it starts with (paraphrasing) 'I once tried using REBL in an unsupported way and gave up after some hours' The criticisms have been adressed or discussed in many other contexts already, which is also why I won't engage in such discussions here.
- blatant303 3y ago> in an unsupported way The majority of Clojure projects use Leiningen. As a consequence, REBL/Morse do not support the majority of Clojure projects.
- lgrapenthin 3y agoI haven't seen leiningen based projects in a long time. Are you sure?
- Hammershaft 3y agoNice work, I had a similiar idea a month ago, if I commited to the project I would have named it Explojure. I'll give this a whirl tonight!
- beanjuiceII 3y agoThank you clojure team and nubank for making this open-source!(really excited to check this out). Also off topic but I did not realize they recently made datomic free, another great contribution!