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You got sources for this claim? If he has done anything wrong, why is he not in jail for that?

by shasts 3y ago

mentli 3y ago
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AverageDude 3y ago
It’s the usual protocol of astroturfing. Accuse the whistleblower of something vague and discard them with name calling. Straight out of playbook of authoritarian governments. Nothing new. I searched the name Nupur Sharma and it gave me this article which explains everything. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61716241.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61716241.amp It says that the fact checker shared a video of what she said.
- throwaway_9120 3y ago
  The fact that you have to search for the name shows you are not enough clued in about what is happening in India. Wish you take some time out and get the facts straight from some Indian friends to understand both side of the story. It will become a long comment, all I can say , BBC, NyTimes etc has some axe to grind with the current dispensation.
  - random314 3y ago
    Being Indian, I am clued in well enough. I understand by "Indian friends" you mean upper caste Hindu Indian friends who are Modi acolytes and his primary voting demographic. Not Indian Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Dalits or Shudras who form greater than 50% of the Indian population.
    - throwaway_9120 3y ago
      No, I mean people with loads of common sense who can tell you both side of the story. >> Not Indian Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Dalits or Shudras who form greater than 50% of the Indian population. Acc to you, if they are more than 50% AND not happy with Modi, why is Modi winning back to back elections and almost certain to come to power again in 2024?
      - random314 3y ago
        You only need 35% to win in Indias multiparty elections. Additionally, Muslims in Gujarat and UP have been coerced into voting for BJP candidate by threatening them with shut down of municipal services when BJP wins. This is enabled because EVMs report summary statistics from each location which the government employees have access to.
        throwaway_9120 3y ago
        >> You only need 35% to win in Indias multiparty elections.<< That reinforces my point. >>This is enabled because EVMs<< This EVM story has been peddled by your ilk ad-infinitum but with no substance. If that were the case, BJP should be winning all state elections right? Delhi, WestBengal, Rajasthan… So as and when party of your choice win, EVMs are good when opposition party wins , oh they are manipulated.
        random314 3y ago
        Did you even read what I said? EVMs are not being tampered. But they make per polling booth data available to candidates. The BJP candidates use that summary data to withhold municipal services from constituents who didn't vote for them. They are able to make this threat because of summary data made available by EVMs https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/maneka-gandhi-s-vote-call-to-muslims-sparks-row/story-w6LaaH7PrpvQGpEwh6n29K.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/maneka-gandhi-s-vo...
        AverageDude 3y ago
        He doesn’t want to read. It’s always hit and run with the fanboys of these authoritarian regimes.
        deleted 3y ago
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        web108 3y ago
  - AverageDude 3y ago
    Please do something new than the other authoritarian shills. It’s the same playbook. Why do you assume that everyone outside of India is incapable of understanding things on their own and need help from Indian friend? Why do you patronise? Isn’t that racist? Isn’t the that some kind of twisted supremest thinking? I can read the stats and make up my mind on my own.
    - throwaway_9120 3y ago
      Of course when you come here with a half-baked knowledge and accuse someone* of astroturfing , one has to call you out. By your own admission, for the first time you heard Nupur’s name, you did a quick search and within minutes you reached the conclusion what you wanted to reach. Since when asking to understand the issue in depth - rather than a 2 mins cursory look up - racism?
- commoner 3y ago
  That's correct. Nupur Sharma's comments on the Times Now news channel were incendiary enough that Times Now decided to delete the video of the debate she was featured in and also issue a statement: > Views expressed by BJP Spokesperson on Newshour@9 last night are her personal views. TIMES NOW does not endorse views of participants. We urge participants on our debates to maintain restraint and not indulge in unparliamentary language against fellow panelists. It's not someone else's fault that Sharma decided to make those comments on live television in the first place. https://www.jantakareporter.com/entertainment/times-now-deletes-video-navika-kuamrs-debate-issues-clarification-amidst-controversy-over-derogatory-comments-on-prophet-muhammad-pbuh/397937/ https://www.jantakareporter.com/entertainment/times-now-dele... https://twitter.com/timesnow/status/1530137204999475201 https://twitter.com/timesnow/status/1530137204999475201
  - throwaway_9120 3y ago
    If you watch the full debate, the Muslim panelists were continuously mocking Hindu Gods, Nupur got fed up and replied to them in the similar manner. What this fact checker cunningly did was to edit out the Muslim panellist mocking and simply showed her part of the clip. He has a mass following in Islamic nations and it got blown out of proportion.
    - commoner 3y ago
      Political leaders are expected to conduct themselves appropriately in public view because they are selected to represent all of their constituents. If a politician makes an appearance on live television and says something that is offensive to their constituents, they can expect political repercussions regardless of what anyone else said on the TV show. That other people in the debate compared a Shivling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingam) to roadside signs and poles does not excuse Nupur Sharma from the repercussions of what she said. Sharma made comments that she knew would be offensive to a religious minority, and she was expelled from her position as the national spokesperson of the Bharatiya Janata Party because that was not the behavior the public expected from a high-ranking political figure. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/bjp-suspends-nupur-sharma-naveen-jindal-7953884/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/bjp-suspends-nupur-s... When someone like Mohammed Zubair makes a supercut of Sharma's comments to highlight the fact that a politician is not appropriately representing her constituents, it's not Zubair's fault that Sharma made those comments in the first place.
- fellellor 3y ago
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  - AverageDude 3y ago
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throwaway_9120 3y ago
Sure. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bjps-nupur-sharma-alleges-death-threats-after-fact-checker-post-cops-take-note-101653711767564-amp.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bjps-nupur-sharma-...
- random314 3y ago
  Nupur Sharma claims. Apparently, death threats and actual deaths and rapes should only happen to Dalits and Muslims via periodically organized riots. It's also a great idea to jail the lawyer of the survivor of a lynch mob, Teesta Setalvad. Indias Supreme court is pleased. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teesta_Setalvad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teesta_Setalvad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulbarg_Society_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulbarg_Society_massacre

You got sources for this claim? If he has done anything wrong, why is he not in jail for that?

by shasts 3y ago

You got sources for this claim? If he has done anything wrong, why is he not in jail for that?

mentli 3y ago

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AverageDude 3y ago

It’s the usual protocol of astroturfing. Accuse the whistleblower of something vague and discard them with name calling. Straight out of playbook of authoritarian governments. Nothing new. I searched the name Nupur Sharma and it gave me this article which explains everything. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61716241.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61716241.amp It says that the fact checker shared a video of what she said.

throwaway_9120 3y ago
The fact that you have to search for the name shows you are not enough clued in about what is happening in India. Wish you take some time out and get the facts straight from some Indian friends to understand both side of the story. It will become a long comment, all I can say , BBC, NyTimes etc has some axe to grind with the current dispensation.
- random314 3y ago
  Being Indian, I am clued in well enough. I understand by "Indian friends" you mean upper caste Hindu Indian friends who are Modi acolytes and his primary voting demographic. Not Indian Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Dalits or Shudras who form greater than 50% of the Indian population.
  - throwaway_9120 3y ago
    No, I mean people with loads of common sense who can tell you both side of the story. >> Not Indian Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Dalits or Shudras who form greater than 50% of the Indian population. Acc to you, if they are more than 50% AND not happy with Modi, why is Modi winning back to back elections and almost certain to come to power again in 2024?
    - random314 3y ago
      You only need 35% to win in Indias multiparty elections. Additionally, Muslims in Gujarat and UP have been coerced into voting for BJP candidate by threatening them with shut down of municipal services when BJP wins. This is enabled because EVMs report summary statistics from each location which the government employees have access to.
      - throwaway_9120 3y ago
        >> You only need 35% to win in Indias multiparty elections.<< That reinforces my point. >>This is enabled because EVMs<< This EVM story has been peddled by your ilk ad-infinitum but with no substance. If that were the case, BJP should be winning all state elections right? Delhi, WestBengal, Rajasthan… So as and when party of your choice win, EVMs are good when opposition party wins , oh they are manipulated.
        random314 3y ago
        Did you even read what I said? EVMs are not being tampered. But they make per polling booth data available to candidates. The BJP candidates use that summary data to withhold municipal services from constituents who didn't vote for them. They are able to make this threat because of summary data made available by EVMs https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/maneka-gandhi-s-vote-call-to-muslims-sparks-row/story-w6LaaH7PrpvQGpEwh6n29K.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/maneka-gandhi-s-vo...
        AverageDude 3y ago
        He doesn’t want to read. It’s always hit and run with the fanboys of these authoritarian regimes.
        deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
        web108 3y ago
- AverageDude 3y ago
  Please do something new than the other authoritarian shills. It’s the same playbook. Why do you assume that everyone outside of India is incapable of understanding things on their own and need help from Indian friend? Why do you patronise? Isn’t that racist? Isn’t the that some kind of twisted supremest thinking? I can read the stats and make up my mind on my own.
  - throwaway_9120 3y ago
    Of course when you come here with a half-baked knowledge and accuse someone* of astroturfing , one has to call you out. By your own admission, for the first time you heard Nupur’s name, you did a quick search and within minutes you reached the conclusion what you wanted to reach. Since when asking to understand the issue in depth - rather than a 2 mins cursory look up - racism?
commoner 3y ago
That's correct. Nupur Sharma's comments on the Times Now news channel were incendiary enough that Times Now decided to delete the video of the debate she was featured in and also issue a statement: > Views expressed by BJP Spokesperson on Newshour@9 last night are her personal views. TIMES NOW does not endorse views of participants. We urge participants on our debates to maintain restraint and not indulge in unparliamentary language against fellow panelists. It's not someone else's fault that Sharma decided to make those comments on live television in the first place. https://www.jantakareporter.com/entertainment/times-now-deletes-video-navika-kuamrs-debate-issues-clarification-amidst-controversy-over-derogatory-comments-on-prophet-muhammad-pbuh/397937/ https://www.jantakareporter.com/entertainment/times-now-dele... https://twitter.com/timesnow/status/1530137204999475201 https://twitter.com/timesnow/status/1530137204999475201
- throwaway_9120 3y ago
  If you watch the full debate, the Muslim panelists were continuously mocking Hindu Gods, Nupur got fed up and replied to them in the similar manner. What this fact checker cunningly did was to edit out the Muslim panellist mocking and simply showed her part of the clip. He has a mass following in Islamic nations and it got blown out of proportion.
  - commoner 3y ago
    Political leaders are expected to conduct themselves appropriately in public view because they are selected to represent all of their constituents. If a politician makes an appearance on live television and says something that is offensive to their constituents, they can expect political repercussions regardless of what anyone else said on the TV show. That other people in the debate compared a Shivling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingam) to roadside signs and poles does not excuse Nupur Sharma from the repercussions of what she said. Sharma made comments that she knew would be offensive to a religious minority, and she was expelled from her position as the national spokesperson of the Bharatiya Janata Party because that was not the behavior the public expected from a high-ranking political figure. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/bjp-suspends-nupur-sharma-naveen-jindal-7953884/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/bjp-suspends-nupur-s... When someone like Mohammed Zubair makes a supercut of Sharma's comments to highlight the fact that a politician is not appropriately representing her constituents, it's not Zubair's fault that Sharma made those comments in the first place.
fellellor 3y ago
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- AverageDude 3y ago
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throwaway_9120 3y ago

Sure. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bjps-nupur-sharma-alleges-death-threats-after-fact-checker-post-cops-take-note-101653711767564-amp.html https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bjps-nupur-sharma-...

random314 3y ago
Nupur Sharma claims. Apparently, death threats and actual deaths and rapes should only happen to Dalits and Muslims via periodically organized riots. It's also a great idea to jail the lawyer of the survivor of a lynch mob, Teesta Setalvad. Indias Supreme court is pleased. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teesta_Setalvad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teesta_Setalvad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulbarg_Society_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulbarg_Society_massacre