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Japan Government warned citizens to shelter after ballistic missile launch
- quyleanh 3y agoIs there any link with hit location?
- alacritas0 3y agoThe Japanese government has confirmed what appears to be a ballistic missile launched by North Korea has not fallen in the northern prefecture of Hokkaido or surrounding areas.
- CSMastermind 3y agoUS government warning as well: https://twitter.com/ACSTokyo/status/1646289607699431426 https://twitter.com/ACSTokyo/status/1646289607699431426 Edit: Looks like it just flew overhead and landed in the sea.
- postmeta 3y agoseeing this first on hacker news, sheltering in starbucks, i will survive the apocalypse on melon frappuccinos or until they run out
- fermentation 3y agoAccording to BNO News, it did not (or will not) hit land: https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1646292786424033282 https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1646292786424033282 EDIT: NHK is now saying this as well via the original link
- pkdpic 3y agoYou should still probably snag a couple of melon fraps just in case though.
- postmeta 3y agoi guess they missed us: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20230413/k10014037081000.html https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20230413/k10014037081000.ht...
- dylan604 3y agoDid they though? It's cool to make fun of the little dictator and his regime, but if his little missile just flew past and into the sea, they can clearly hit the land if they wanted. Now, if it landed short of land, then let the jokes fly. The teasing for leaving your putt short is brutal.
- shusaku 3y agoI hate seeing this on hacker news because there is the implication “it’s international news, so something must have happened”. I think the local alert probably has a more limited geographic scope than before, there’s been a lot of push back.
- Klonoar 3y agoJapan-based content has a staggering amount of "to the front page" power for HN.
- alacritas0 3y agohttps://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20230413_11/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20230413_11/
- brigandish 3y agoThis should be the link.
- elil17 3y agoBNO now reporting it has hit the ocean: https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1646294091934621711 https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/164629409193462171...
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- Hikikomori 3y agoJust boarded the ferry between Fukuoka mad Busan...
- robbiep 3y agoWell, everyone has to be somewhere
- numpad0 3y agoEveryone has a phone these days, and every phones has emergency alerts enabled by default. You'll get notices in any actual "hits the fan" situations.
- SoftTalker 3y agoNot I. All that garbage is disabled. Too many late night wakeups and false alarms during meetings and other inconvenient times. Boy who cried "wolf" syndrome.
- numpad0 3y agoMost people around you still has a phone, or office/hotel/mall/transportation has a separate system, so you'll still get it anyhow.
- Hikikomori 3y agoNot worried really. Interested coincidence for me to be on the ocean as the same time they're sending rockets there. Though pretty far away from it.
- LeoPanthera 3y agoJapanese broadcast television is currently reporting that the missiles are down and did not come down on land.
- FormerBandmate 3y agoNorth Korea was doing this every week a while back
- drumhead 3y agoIt didnt make it to the mainland, it dropped off in the sea. But if had made hit land what would the response have to be?
- pkdpic 3y agoThat's a really good question. Is 9/11 a good historical analogy for millennials? Is there something better to relate this to?
- boomboomsubban 3y agoIt depends. If North Korea were intending to bomb Japan, it'd be an act of war. I'm dubious they'd knowingly kick off a war by bombing Hokkaido though. So it'd more likely be an accident like the time the US bombed a Chinese embassy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_bombing_of_the_C... Whether anyone accepted the accident angle would depend on how willing various major powers were wanting to get involved in the incident. But 9/11 would not be a good analogy, as it was not carried out by a nation. Which is why it took a month for the US to declare an illegal war on Afghanistan rather than immediately being able to declare a legal war in self defense.
- perihelions 3y agoThere have been at least three American missile tests that landed in Mexico. (They were launched from the US into the US, intended to land in the White Sands missile range, but overshot). https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1350&dat=19700804&id=ZclOAAAAIBAJ&pg=3586,4256164&hl=en https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1350&dat=19700804&id=... ("Mexcians find errant rocket", 1970) https://wsmrmuseum.com/2021/11/10/in-1970-an-athena-missile-went-deep-into-mexico/ https://wsmrmuseum.com/2021/11/10/in-1970-an-athena-missile-... ("In 1970, An Athena Missile Went Deep Into Mexico")
- rascul 3y agoMy memory is vague but I seem to recall hearing of NK missiles heading in Japan's direction a number of times in recent years. Is my memory correct? Does NK just get free reign to fire missiles towards other countries?
- dirtyid 3y agoNK's rocketry program advancing at rapid rate. Look what where NK is, if they have to do flight tests, they're not going to fly over PRC, RU or SKR due to geopolitics. Sometimes they're sensible and do lofted trajectories into sea of Japan, but every once in a while they need to overfly some land for proper tests, and JP is what's left. Historic grievances a bonus. Extra bonus JP can't test/overfly back without landing in countries above. Geography of missile tests gets interesting, India has to do it over ocean where foreign sigint ships can gather data, US/RU/PRC all have large empty regions to test inland away from prying eyes.
- GalenErso 3y ago> Does NK just get free reign to fire missiles towards other countries? As long as North Korea's regional neighbors and the United States do little more than condemning the launches, yes. We know these launches pose a risk to civilians on the ground, but little can be done to stop them short of bombing the launch sites. And bombing North Korea would be an act of war, and the consequences would be unpredictable. [1] There are rumors that CYBERCOM has been able to stop North Korean missile launches in the past with covert cyberattacks, but whether that's true or not would be classified. [2] If the U.S. wanted to respond in kind, it could launch a missile from a ship in the Sea of Japan. The missile could be programmed to overfly Pyongyang, and crash into the Yellow Sea. Though China would probably deploy watercraft to recover the missile's debris to study its technology, if it doesn't detonate. [1] Note that North Korea did bomb the South Korean island of Yeonpyeong back in 2010 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Yeonpyeong?useskin=vector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardment_of_Yeonpyeong?uses...). Two civilians and two soldiers were killed, and a number of people were wounded, but the shelling did not trigger a conflict. North Korea also sank a South Korean warship the same year, killing 46, and it didn't cause a war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_sinking?useskin=vector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_sinking?useskin=v...). [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/world/asia/north-korea-missile-program-sabotage.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/world/asia/north-korea-mi... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/world/asia/north-korea-missile-program-sabotage.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/world/asia/north-korea-mi...
- stuartcw 3y agoThis is almost a daily occurrence. The news this time is that government used the J-Alert system to mass broadcast to everyone in Hokkaido to announce that, instead of coming down in the sea of Japan, it might come down on the land. NHK is reporting that it might be a new type ICBM which I guess might be the reason for the general alert this time.
- misssocrates 3y agoWhat happens if one does hit the land, whether intentional or not? It seems inevitable with that frequency. What would the response be?
- ChatGTP 3y agoNothing I guess ?
- freetime2 3y agoLet’s hope we never find out.
- vkou 3y agoIf it's an accident? An apology, maybe. If it damages something or someone? If relations between the two countries are not completely wretched, usually a bunch of arguing, and small reparations [1][2]. If they are completely wretched, or there's some other concern at play, usually nothing [3]. The victim country is free to apply whatever sanctions it sees fit. These sorts of questions are not settled in a framework of legality, as much as they are settled in a framework of power, and willingness to escalate. Escalating against a nuclear sovereign is often a bad idea. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmos_954 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmos_954 > For the recovery efforts, the Canadian government billed the Soviet Union Can$6,041,174.70 for expenses and additional compensation for future unpredicted expenses; the USSR eventually paid Can$3 million. [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 > As part of the settlement, even though the U.S. government did not admit legal liability or formally apologize to Iran, it agreed to pay US$61.8 million on an ex gratia basis in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007 > The Soviet government expressed regret over the loss of life, but offered no apology and did not respond to demands for compensation.
- debacle 3y agoI wonder what the feeling of the people in e.g. China or Russia is right now regarding peace. Is it hopelessness? Nationalism? Fatalism? Foolish thinking, but I was hoping as a species we were past petty wars.
- GalenErso 3y agoA recent Ipsos survey showed that China was the country with the highest proportion of happy people, at 91%.[1] A 2020 survey by Harvard researchers showed similar results. [2] People living in autocracies are far less dissatisfied with their systems of government as democracy minded Westerners like myself might assume. [1] https://www.ipsos.com/en/global-happiness-six-points-last-year-73-now-say-they-are-happy https://www.ipsos.com/en/global-happiness-six-points-last-ye... [2] https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/ https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-sur...
- bouncycastle 3y agoOf course you are going to say that you are happy, you don't want to provoke your local autocracy...
- ClumsyPilot 3y agoin Russia very few people will say they are hapoy. The might nit elaborate why
- charlieyu1 3y agoDoubtful about this. World Happiness Report 2023 has China at rank 64. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report
- Leary 3y agoThe studies had different methodologies and questions. The Ipsos one asked respondents: "Taking all things together, would you say you are: very happy, rather happy, not very happy, not happy at all?" The World Happiness Report asks the respondents: "think of a ladder, with the best possible life for them being a 10 and the worst possible life being a 0. They are then asked to rate their own current lives on that 0 to 10 scale." Unsurprisingly, the two offers very different conclusions.
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- hash872 3y agoOut of curiosity (this is totally not my field)- aren't anti-aircraft and anti-missile systems a thing, especially for a technologically advanced country like Japan? If Ukraine can shoot down half or more of the missiles that Russia lobs at them, why can't Japan use a similar system like the Patriot or Iron Dome? Related question- what's the status of shooting down missiles in flight with lasers? Is that still a generation or two away?
- deepsun 3y ago> half or more Here is the answer. Every system has some percentage of misses, especially during mass attacks. Iron Dome is not really relevant, I think, it's designed against small, short-range, mortar-like projectiles. For ballistic rockets or cruise missiles you need systems like Patriot, right.
- ethbr0 3y agoYou'd use the SM-3 (USN) launched from Aegis platforms. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-161_Standard_Missile_3 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-161_Standard_Missile_3 Threats like this are why Japan and South Korea are the only countries outside the US to field it. Alternates would be THAAD and the GBI, but believe those are more specific to the US Army and Missile Defense Agency's needs. The latter is also still under serious development.
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- HideousKojima 3y agoFor starters, never believe any side's claims about how many of the other side's materiel/soldiers they've destroyed/killed/whatever. Russia is definitely telling bigger lies about this stuff, but the Ukrainians and their allies are certainly exaggerating their numbers too. In war, truth is the first casualty. The reality is that we don't really have any hard numbers for how effective various missile defense systems are. Any test results from them are classified because you don't want your opponent knowing ahead of time how effective your defenses actually are. Even for automated turrets like CIWS don't have any hard numbers on their shootdown rate.
- tjpnz 3y agoKids were pissed when their TV shows were stopped to broadcast the idiocy of another child.
- AraceliHarker 3y agoJ-Alert is often disliked by the Japanese people because it has repeated false alarms and its warning sound is quite shocking. North Korea has fired missiles that passed over Japan’s airspace several times, but while some people get furious when they hear the news, they go back to their normal lives as if nothing happened after a few hours. Besides, where are we supposed to evacuate when they tell us to? Under the desk? In the river? On a hill? Some of the Tokyo Metro stations in the city center function as shelters because they are deep underground, but most people can’t do anything about it.
- 1letterunixname 3y agoClassic alarm fatigue. A frequent, nonspecific alert is completely worthless if it's not both credible and actionable.