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Transgender people have existed throughout history and on every corner of the earth. They’re documented in basically any society with written records. But for

• MrPatan 3y ago
  There was no problem anywhere in the world until they came for the children.
• beebeepka 3y ago
  Just last week, when I was at a techno music gathering, a couple of my friends saw a guy in drag (it was more like over the top ball dress really) and were like "whoaa, did you see that". I had to remind them that we used to have scores of trannies attending these events in the past and and no one cared. But now, after the latest round of propaganda, we, as a society, fear them again.
  • Freak_NL 3y ago
    Good point, but you may want to avoid the word 'tranny' when you mean transvestite (or preferably, cross-dresser or drag queen) or transsexual or transgender person. 'Tranny' has been embraced as a hateful slur and is generally considered offensive and derogatory. (Cf.: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tranny https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tranny)
    • beebeepka 3y ago
      Maybe this is why I am being downvoted. What should I use instead? I don't exactly follow the waves of nuspeak
      • Freak_NL 3y ago
        Your example hints at a man who dresses like a woman (but usually not transitioning or being uncomfortable with their (day-to-day) manhood), so cross-dresser (or drag queen if it is really over the top, well, drag queenish, which the ballgown sort of implies). 'Tranny' being derogatory isn't really new-speak. The only recent shift I know of is that men who dress up like (feminine) women tend to prefer 'cross-dresser' over 'transvestite' nowadays. The problem with 'tranny' in this context is also that it now mostly refers to transgender people (in a derogatory way) rather than cross-dressers.
        • beebeepka 3y ago
          Thanks. Have to say cross dresser fits much better given the context. I can no longer edit my post and will have to take the heat instead. Lesson learned.
      • chowells 3y ago
        Are you seriously equating treating people with respect with nuspeak? The post you replied to already answered your question. I'm just going to suggest that you should focus more on respecting others and less on thinking you're debating.
        • beebeepka 3y ago
          My apologies. It was an honest question but I can see how it might be taken as something more than that. A link to wiki was not what I asked for. Since we're giving each other life advices, I suggest one spoon of not jumping to conclusions. You're not exactly showing much respect for me here.
  • altacc 3y ago
    Alternative cultures have always had alternative niches of events but clubbing in the early days, at least in Europe, was often largely a culture of acceptance. Age, gender, attire, whatever... acceptance was high. As I started to age and dance music became more popular and more commercialised, the number of safe, relaxed and accepting cubs started to shrink as club culture became normal culture. There are still alternative club scenes out there, they are just more protective and secretive to stop the dilution of their culture.
    • beebeepka 3y ago
      Exactly. Even here in backwards Bulgaria we had large (as in thousands of people) electronic one-night music events where trans/cross/etc people would hang on ropes, perform stuff and generally have a good time along with everyone else. Some of the best small time events 20 years ago were held in a popular gay. No one cared. No one. Now it's 2023 and extremists on both ends are accusing you of either showing too much respect to the "weirdos", or not using the most up to date and precise language to describe things that are murky to begin with.
  • MrPatan 3y ago
    No. It's all about children. Nobody cares what adults do between themselves. Nopbody did, nobody does. Read all those "panic" stories again. It's about the children. Leave them alone.
    • pigsty 3y ago
      Every invented moral panic is about “the children.” Rock music, Jewish people “corrupting” the youth, satanists, trans people. It’s sad that people still buy into these stories meant to outrage people and seed divide, anger, and violence. And it’s always pushed by people with clear political and financial agendas picking fringe extreme and uncommon examples pretending it’s everywhere. Someday you’ll forget this was ever a thing and pretend you never bought into it. It’s what everyone does during every invented outrage. You’ve been told to be angry about some fringe thing and believed it. 10 years from now there’ll be another big thing to be angry about. You’re not angry “for the children.” Please drop the act.
      • MrPatan 3y ago
        Nope. What's you explanation then for why literally nobody cared about adult trans people just a few years ago? The difference with the others is that you can stop liking dumb edgy stuff when you grow up, but you can't grow new tits. As for the financial agenda... yeah, exactly. Just follow the money. What did you find?
        • pigsty 3y ago
          > What's you explanation then for why literally nobody cared about adult trans people just a few years ago? Because it’s an invented political scapegoat, just like countless others. Trans people were out and about 10 years ago and nobody gave a shit. I’m from a small town in Appalachia and my grandma had a trans friend that was out and open 30 years ago. They stopped by when I was a kid and we treated her as a normal human. Nobody gave a shit. Social media told you to be angry about people that’ve been around forever. You chose to only pay attention recently and get angry. Right wing organizations are making huge buckets of cash from donations and “anti-woke” brand campaigns targeting trans people, getting gullible people to think being trans is some new trend and they need to fight back. Normal people have known trans people for several decades and we are absolutely bewildered that people like you are suddenly outraged about people we’ve known all our lives. Same with how 15 years ago ”the gays” were going to destroy the world.
• anilakar 3y ago
  A vocal minority is visibly complaining about another vocal minority visibly complaining. Thank god we have social media that enabled this in the first place.
  • Timon3 3y ago
    This feels a lot like people during the civil rights movement complaining about "a loud minority complaining, and another minority complaining about that". Not everything is equivalent.
  • watwut 3y ago
    Vocal minority is complaining about another vocal minority targeting them, including violently. It is also complaining about other vocal minority trying to make their art and fun illegal (drag).
    • MrPatan 3y ago
      Illegal to do it for children. Nobody had or has any problem with what consenting adults do.
      • Timon3 3y ago
        Where do you get that idea? A number of recent proposals ban it in public, full stop. Did you not know about that?
      • watwut 3y ago
        First, this is not true. Second, nothing will happen to children when they see men or women crossdressing.
• transcoderx 3y ago
  They did not propose mutilating surgeries to people throughout history. Also trans people existing does not mean there can't be a mass hysteria of kids being told to transition on shoddy scientific evidence.
  • vidarh 3y ago
    They did not propose surgeries because no way of doing so were available until relatively recently. And your claim of a hysteria of kids being told to transition closely mirrors the claim of kids being pressured into satanic rituals and similar. It's similarly fear driven and bigoted.
    • transcoderx 3y ago
      But we just read that kids were indeed made to believe they had been used for satanic rituals. There is still no good surgery available. It is a crime to pretend the surgeries work.
      • vidarh 3y ago
        Made to believe they had, yes, not actually used. The lack of good surgery options does not mean they don't help. If anything the fact that regret rates for transition is well below the regret rates for other cosmetic surgery should be a strong indication that if you actually care about patient wellbeing, it's the other kinds of cosmetic surgery you ought to be focusing on.
        • transcoderx 3y ago
          Citations? If you look into the actual studies, the picture may not be so clear cut. For example a lot if results actually only taje older people into account (who transitioned when they were older). What analogy do you see to the satanic cult thing? Children were told they had been abused, and many caregivers were being sentenced. Who is being told what in the trans hype? Children are falsely being told they are not trans? Then they falsely believe they are not trans and accuse their doctors? Or how does the analogy work?
• friend_and_foe 3y ago
  Yes, they have. And they have the right to exist and try to live their lives, just like other mentally ill people. But theres a reason societies don't celebrate deviance, and it's because you create social contagion and severely damage people and your society.