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I guess an easy idea to escape this is that it's a cycle of events that repeat forever. For example, imagine the sequence of events `A, B, C`. After `C`, imag
by Zolomon 3y ago
I guess an easy idea to escape this is that it's a cycle of events that repeat forever.
For example, imagine the sequence of events `A, B, C`.
After `C`, imagine that the cycle repeats with the beginning of `A` again, ad infinitum.
- jliptzin 3y agoBut what got the cycle going in the first place?
- laichzeit0 3y agoNegation. The negation of nothing is something.
- b4ke 3y agoprecisely, there has to be nothing for there to be something. also above someone mentioned our conceptual framework for modeling such an understanding as lacking, but it works well enough, it’s more difficult to accept that the entirety is a comics soup and this is what our limited sensory capacity can contrive of it. time is an excuse for this reality.
- DonHopkins 3y agoCosmic Comics Soup!
- twangist 3y ago"Nothing" is not a proposition; you can't negate it. You can take it's complement, which is everything.
- bawolff 3y agoThat presumes that the cycle isn't the ground state and something had to start it. Also,i feel there are no satisfactory answers here. See also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmoved_mover https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmoved_mover
- rubicon33 3y agoWhat you are describing is infinity. For infinite time, this cycle has existed. That concept is easy to say, but very difficult to mentally accept. We’re too accustomed to thinking of time linearly since we’ve never had examples to the contrary.
- yadingus 3y agoHow would you know if you had in front of you an example of the contrary?
- bawolff 3y agoI disagree. For starters, linear things can be infinite too (e.g. integers). Being cyclic and being infinite are separate. Second, I do not know if time is finite or not, but i do know it lasts longer than i do, and anything that does is essentially infinite from my perspective. Is a time crystal a counter example? Guess its not something we would normally encounter anyways.
- JackFr 3y agoAquinas and Aristotle knew: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmoved_mover https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmoved_mover