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I'll give you one simple reason why slowing down AI dev is not wise. You'll slow down. America will slow down. The rest of the world won't. You think North Ko

by outdig 3y ago

I'll give you one simple reason why slowing down AI dev is not wise. You'll slow down. America will slow down. The rest of the world won't. You think North Korea, or China, or Russia, is going to be like "oh yeah, USA has regulations, so I'm not spend millions or billions to develop my own custom AI for my own needs." because that kid in his basement with a good idea, is not going to do the development?

ChatGTP 3y ago
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- labrador 3y ago
  > they’re not suicidal maniacs citation needed
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    You’re alive right ? They could’ve blown your country to pieces 5 times over if they wanted to, even though more and lore they’re being cornered. America would launch back but that would be suicidal. That hasn’t happened so that should be all the proof you need.
    - addisonl 3y ago
      Yes, as we know the past _always_ indicates the future.
      - ChatGTP 3y ago
        No idea what you’re taking about but there’s plenty of bombs aimed at each other right now? Let’s through 5 AI into the mix shall we ?
    - labrador 3y ago
      Putin could decide he won't be taken alive to go to prison and decide to launch. Add those scenarios to your training.
- nradov 3y ago
  It takes a lot of effort just to keep existing industrial robots working. They require frequent preventative maintenance and still break down occasionally. The idea of self replicating "robots with guns" is just ludicrous. Where would they even get the necessary parts? You must be another programmer who watches too many sci-fi movies and has no clue about how the manufacturing and resource extraction industries operate in the real world.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    Where do you honestly think this is going when it’s about “outdoing Russia and China”, it’s going for Terminators. It might not be tomorrow, but this aggression and hate will get us there.
    - nradov 3y ago
      The military-industrial complex has been building automated weapons systems for years. So what. You haven't provided any scientific evidence that it's possible for robots to manufacture themselves outside of human control. Just a lot of hand waving nonsense. Go talk to engineers who actually work on manufacturing complex mechanical products and they'll laugh at your naivety.
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- catchnear4321 3y ago
  > People who know what they’re talking about …listen You really want to make that argument? And fear-mongering over death, of course. You’re failing to see that what you’re asking for is one of many paths to speeding this up far worse than what you claim to fear. (Or you know it, and you want it, but I won’t speculate down that rabbit hole.) You, like so many of “your scientists,” are trying to sweep a problem under a rug, rather than fix it. That includes those that think you can fight bias with bias. The experts fucked up repeatedly, and want all those without the funding to not take any risks. Because corporations and overpaid “researchers” are bad at making decisions and promise to do the same. Nah.
ok_dad 3y ago
Why shouldn’t we slow down? What’s the threat to America from slowing down? Things are getting pretty rough with the constant grind. Maybe it would be good for America to slow down a bit. AI isn’t going to help the average American, just those who want to replace the average American with a computer.
- jjtheblunt 3y ago
  If "AI" kills phone customer service menu insanity and inanity, it will help the entire galaxy. (not to invoke hyperbole or anything)
- aetherane 3y ago
  If the US gives other countries an ample head start to establish the major AI companies and doesn't compete, it is unlikely that it's GDP will support as good a standard of living in the future.
  - chollida1 3y ago
    I mean, by this logic only the single leading AI country will have any decent standard of living. But if you believe that many counties will have a decent standard of living/gdp growth, then it stands to reason that not being first or best shouldn’t matter too much. The US wasn’t first with cell phones and that doesn’t seem to hav mattered too much no matter how u Iquitos they are. A country like the USA can always catch up if they decide they want to
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    I don't buy that at all. But even if it's accurate, it feels a little like "we have to burn the village in order to save it". If barreling forward full steam brings on serious problems, that would harm our standard of living as well. I'm not sure I'm OK with letting other people roll the dice on my future to that degree.
- 93po 3y ago
  The advances that AI will give us will help cure diseases, make energy plentiful, make huge advances in stopping climate change, and plenty of other things that will help save millions of lives. People are literally dying until we make these advances.
jillesvangurp 3y ago
Exactly. The cat is out of the back. Right now, people and companies in China, India, North & South Korea, Japan, Iran, Russia, Venezuela, etc. are trying to replicate results (obviously with lots of variation in success rates) as fast as they can. And they are motivated by just one thing: they don't want to be outsmarted by some foreign AI. They want to get there first. Especially China, South Korea, Japan, and India have some highly capable people. Same for Europe. Though as a European, I'm skeptical of this continent being able to pull together a coherent effort. The rest of the world is not going to be waiting for Silicon Valley to deliver them the next version of chat gpt and figure out the least offensive level of wokeness. Companies across the world are doing the R&D and they'll be shipping whatever they have to get a piece of the market. And not all of those companies and countries are going to be very interested in ethics. This technology is hugely relevant across essentially all industry sectors with a potential to help knowledge workers in R&D, technological sectors, law, medicine. And of course the defense industry. Just because people don't like it doesn't mean other people won't go there. They will. This is technology with an obvious potential for weaponization. It's going to be a pretty bad time to be defenseless against that. I don't think it will take long for this stuff to start having some real world impact in conflicts across the world. So, there's a sense of urgency here in not giving away a head start and trying to keep up. Spinning your wheels for a year or so is just not going to be helpful. Another argument here is that some AI researchers might be recruited away. A lot of them are foreigners and their home countries might come calling.

by outdig 3y ago

ChatGTP 3y ago

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labrador 3y ago
> they’re not suicidal maniacs citation needed
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  You’re alive right ? They could’ve blown your country to pieces 5 times over if they wanted to, even though more and lore they’re being cornered. America would launch back but that would be suicidal. That hasn’t happened so that should be all the proof you need.
  - addisonl 3y ago
    Yes, as we know the past _always_ indicates the future.
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      No idea what you’re taking about but there’s plenty of bombs aimed at each other right now? Let’s through 5 AI into the mix shall we ?
  - labrador 3y ago
    Putin could decide he won't be taken alive to go to prison and decide to launch. Add those scenarios to your training.
nradov 3y ago
It takes a lot of effort just to keep existing industrial robots working. They require frequent preventative maintenance and still break down occasionally. The idea of self replicating "robots with guns" is just ludicrous. Where would they even get the necessary parts? You must be another programmer who watches too many sci-fi movies and has no clue about how the manufacturing and resource extraction industries operate in the real world.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  Where do you honestly think this is going when it’s about “outdoing Russia and China”, it’s going for Terminators. It might not be tomorrow, but this aggression and hate will get us there.
  - nradov 3y ago
    The military-industrial complex has been building automated weapons systems for years. So what. You haven't provided any scientific evidence that it's possible for robots to manufacture themselves outside of human control. Just a lot of hand waving nonsense. Go talk to engineers who actually work on manufacturing complex mechanical products and they'll laugh at your naivety.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
catchnear4321 3y ago
> People who know what they’re talking about …listen You really want to make that argument? And fear-mongering over death, of course. You’re failing to see that what you’re asking for is one of many paths to speeding this up far worse than what you claim to fear. (Or you know it, and you want it, but I won’t speculate down that rabbit hole.) You, like so many of “your scientists,” are trying to sweep a problem under a rug, rather than fix it. That includes those that think you can fight bias with bias. The experts fucked up repeatedly, and want all those without the funding to not take any risks. Because corporations and overpaid “researchers” are bad at making decisions and promise to do the same. Nah.

ok_dad 3y ago

Why shouldn’t we slow down? What’s the threat to America from slowing down? Things are getting pretty rough with the constant grind. Maybe it would be good for America to slow down a bit. AI isn’t going to help the average American, just those who want to replace the average American with a computer.

jjtheblunt 3y ago
If "AI" kills phone customer service menu insanity and inanity, it will help the entire galaxy. (not to invoke hyperbole or anything)
aetherane 3y ago
If the US gives other countries an ample head start to establish the major AI companies and doesn't compete, it is unlikely that it's GDP will support as good a standard of living in the future.
- chollida1 3y ago
  I mean, by this logic only the single leading AI country will have any decent standard of living. But if you believe that many counties will have a decent standard of living/gdp growth, then it stands to reason that not being first or best shouldn’t matter too much. The US wasn’t first with cell phones and that doesn’t seem to hav mattered too much no matter how u Iquitos they are. A country like the USA can always catch up if they decide they want to
- JohnFen 3y ago
  I don't buy that at all. But even if it's accurate, it feels a little like "we have to burn the village in order to save it". If barreling forward full steam brings on serious problems, that would harm our standard of living as well. I'm not sure I'm OK with letting other people roll the dice on my future to that degree.
93po 3y ago
The advances that AI will give us will help cure diseases, make energy plentiful, make huge advances in stopping climate change, and plenty of other things that will help save millions of lives. People are literally dying until we make these advances.

jillesvangurp 3y ago

Exactly. The cat is out of the back. Right now, people and companies in China, India, North & South Korea, Japan, Iran, Russia, Venezuela, etc. are trying to replicate results (obviously with lots of variation in success rates) as fast as they can. And they are motivated by just one thing: they don't want to be outsmarted by some foreign AI. They want to get there first. Especially China, South Korea, Japan, and India have some highly capable people. Same for Europe. Though as a European, I'm skeptical of this continent being able to pull together a coherent effort. The rest of the world is not going to be waiting for Silicon Valley to deliver them the next version of chat gpt and figure out the least offensive level of wokeness. Companies across the world are doing the R&D and they'll be shipping whatever they have to get a piece of the market. And not all of those companies and countries are going to be very interested in ethics. This technology is hugely relevant across essentially all industry sectors with a potential to help knowledge workers in R&D, technological sectors, law, medicine. And of course the defense industry. Just because people don't like it doesn't mean other people won't go there. They will. This is technology with an obvious potential for weaponization. It's going to be a pretty bad time to be defenseless against that. I don't think it will take long for this stuff to start having some real world impact in conflicts across the world. So, there's a sense of urgency here in not giving away a head start and trying to keep up. Spinning your wheels for a year or so is just not going to be helpful. Another argument here is that some AI researchers might be recruited away. A lot of them are foreigners and their home countries might come calling.