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Obesity play a role in this. I wish the study can consider the body weight too.

by xjlin0 3y ago

petschge 3y ago
Sure. But is that a cause or an effect?
- hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
  Pretty sure dying early doesn't make you fat.
  - Gigachad 3y ago
    Americans are fatter because their food is toxic and their car centric lifestyle is sedentary and unhealthy
    - localplume 3y ago
      [dead]
  - eightysixfour 3y ago
    I think they meant is it the cause of dying early or an effect of whatever is killing Americans.
  - petschge 3y ago
    That part is easy. But did being fat lead to health problems (that then also kill you), or did health problems lead to being fat (which then also kills you)? And that is before we get into the entire bit where the data shows that most of the difference comes from lives lost at mid age (betwqeen ages 5 and 40), which is younger than the range where "being fat" typically catches up to you.
    - nicoburns 3y ago
      I would suggest that poor diet and a sedentary lifestyle lead to both people being fat and to health issues. FWIW, it's been a common pattern for friends of mine who visit the US for even short periods of say 2 weeks to put on small but noticable amounts of weight.
      - Swizec 3y ago
        > visit the US for even short periods of say 2 weeks to put on small but noticable amounts of weight As a European who lives in USA and visits back frequently: can confirm. In Europe I fight to keep weight on, in USA I fight to keep weight off. Despite counting calories, working out like a maniac[1], and predominantly eating clean. Pre-packaged highly processed foods are like a 1x/month thing, takeout happens max 2x/week, and eating out once or twice per week. And yet, USA wants to make me fat while EU feels like I can barely eat enough to maintain weight. [1] my usual week is 7 workouts split between cardio and hiit. Right now I'm in marathon training so going to hit 107km of running this week.
Avshalom 3y ago
it did https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799922583326720 https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799922583326720 it's not nearly the only thing. and as the npr article from a couple days ago and this point out https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799742228144130 https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799742228144130 https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799722418556931 https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799722418556931 the gap is there at all ages.

Obesity play a role in this. I wish the study can consider the body weight too.

by xjlin0 3y ago

Obesity play a role in this. I wish the study can consider the body weight too.

petschge 3y ago

Sure. But is that a cause or an effect?

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
Pretty sure dying early doesn't make you fat.
- Gigachad 3y ago
  Americans are fatter because their food is toxic and their car centric lifestyle is sedentary and unhealthy
  - localplume 3y ago
    [dead]
- eightysixfour 3y ago
  I think they meant is it the cause of dying early or an effect of whatever is killing Americans.
- petschge 3y ago
  That part is easy. But did being fat lead to health problems (that then also kill you), or did health problems lead to being fat (which then also kills you)? And that is before we get into the entire bit where the data shows that most of the difference comes from lives lost at mid age (betwqeen ages 5 and 40), which is younger than the range where "being fat" typically catches up to you.
  - nicoburns 3y ago
    I would suggest that poor diet and a sedentary lifestyle lead to both people being fat and to health issues. FWIW, it's been a common pattern for friends of mine who visit the US for even short periods of say 2 weeks to put on small but noticable amounts of weight.
    - Swizec 3y ago
      > visit the US for even short periods of say 2 weeks to put on small but noticable amounts of weight As a European who lives in USA and visits back frequently: can confirm. In Europe I fight to keep weight on, in USA I fight to keep weight off. Despite counting calories, working out like a maniac[1], and predominantly eating clean. Pre-packaged highly processed foods are like a 1x/month thing, takeout happens max 2x/week, and eating out once or twice per week. And yet, USA wants to make me fat while EU feels like I can barely eat enough to maintain weight. [1] my usual week is 7 workouts split between cardio and hiit. Right now I'm in marathon training so going to hit 107km of running this week.

Avshalom 3y ago

it did https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799922583326720 https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799922583326720 it's not nearly the only thing. and as the npr article from a couple days ago and this point out https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799742228144130 https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799742228144130 https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799722418556931 https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1641799722418556931 the gap is there at all ages.